we've been puppets... toland told us, we didn't listen. savathun was a disciple of the witness... the light was a lie, arecibo told us that unlimited power does not come without a cost.
the tribute is bigger than the hive, those are souls that are literally bursting from the witness... his disciples get to control different parts of the universe in exchange for power, but everyone is shackled... that black stuff dripping from calus's forehead? he was corrupted not by darkness directly, using the darkness... by the witness. savathun was cursed too...her shackle we helped remove.
the traveler belongs to the witness and by proxy savathun... she used it to collect souls/power through neverending mortal conflict of mortals using what we called the "light".
i can't believe people missed it, but it's subtle... the select your subclass ui, everything is together now... there is no light... never was.
there is no light.
what we're seeing play out is savathun as the underboss, trying to kill the boss. and we helped her do it. so, it's going to get bad for us. or greek myth... when zues killed kronos and threw him into tartarus...
bungie has telegraphed everything... i cracked it, don't worry i won't spoil the ending. given what i said so far... here is the story synopsis of zeus vs kronos. cronus was one of the old gods and became king of all the gods, the universe and the underworld by absorbing souls/power. the witness is kronos... and savathun is zues, but not zues his better half an evil adaptation... leto. we're helping and have helped zues (savathun) take the throne.
but there's a duality... the reason the universe has been under the witnesses control so long, in so many timelines... is he did it by proxy and by manipulating the balance towards his favor with discipline and cunning... savathun isn't exactly the hive god exactly as we know her, she's a primer a derivative... one of the four horseman. the witness is everything savathun has taught us to fight... we're not only pawns, we're soldiers she's trained well to kill the entity that shackled her... that made her a god.
but there's a problem... she's evil. the only way the witness has been suppressing the light and the other gods is manipulating the balance between light and dark... life and death, a constant cycle... using his invention, his disciples. now calus is dead, savathun faked her death, we killed the disciple she imprisoned in votd, and we're going to kill another one soon.
that's all her competition... the witness was 1st alerted to savathun's takeover when? when did we first see them? in the fake mara sov's throne room in forsaken... what were we doing then? uldren was testing for mommy if her wurm could be removed from the host through resurrection. we were baited into killing uldren... he knew we were going to kill him. uldren then resurrected as crow (herald of the underworld) and imbedded as a vanguard mole for savathuns final steps... he killed the only telepathic forces that might of discovered her master plan, but 1st he gained control of the vex network by taking quria for his mother... or part of it, they thought it was totally cohesive the vex mind network... they just fragmented it.
that's why she sent us to kill atheon... and we did it. The reason it seemed like Uldren was trying to get us killed back then is because he failed at fully capturing/destroying the Vex Network for his mother... he didn't want us to succeed where he failed. Then we killed Pynoptes in which Vance had a vex prediction cube that he was using to communicate with fake Mara behind our backs and manipulated us to gain further control of the Vex Network...
Savathun really is a genius using the Witnesses own tool to eliminate 1. Her competition while simultaneously 2. gaining power 3. removes her shackle 4. Shifts the focus... all the blame on to us, while she plans her final blow against the Witness from the shadows because it looks like we killed her and the Witness can't track her if she's not shackled. To it... she's dead.
And we did it.
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1 ReplyGotta love the theories. Good read, but it’ll be awhile before we know how much you got right (or wrong) here. My personal “Nostradamus” moment was calling caydes death like 2 years in advance and pissing off my friend group lmao. I said it was the only way to make players care again, and forsaken was fantastic in terms of player engagement because of it.
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Edited by Guardian, Archon Of Light: 3/6/2023 5:49:35 AM
Guardian, Archon Of LightArchon Priest Of House Light - old
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2 RepliesEdited by jhermannITJ: 3/5/2023 9:43:05 AMWe did it. We've killed every one of his disciples so it seems. It thinks we're the cause, but it never was us... it was always her. When it said, "We are your salvation" that's how the witness operates... that's how he got Savathun.. but different motivations for each disciple. He's sees us as his new disciple... he's saying join us or die. We're gods... no doubt, but lesser ones... demi gods, not OG vampires... turned familars. We're the mothmen. We've heard the whisper... only gods hear it, you know who also heard it... Cayde. That's where this is going. We will kill the witness, and Savathun will take over... but in that moment the prophecy will rise. So much death is coming... and Savathun doesn't care about manipulating the balance between life and death... which is the only thing suppressing the light allowing the Witness to gain power without losing control. Souls will be freed... the phoenix will rise. We're starting to learn about the love of his life right now. The women who Cayde was sent to spy on... keep tabs on her. She was what changed him. He saw her use power for good... never new that could be a thing. Have you seen the murals dedicated to her. She's the opposite of Savathun... a mother who abandons her children for power... vs. a mother who sacrificed everything to create life and save her children. Maya Sundresh is mother of all Exos... she's the mother of Cloudstriders, she created the echo program... which were huge arcs whereby the populace was protected in suspended animation predicting the collapse we keep repeating. That's Nenomuna... one of them. There needs to be balance, that's the only way the Witness has maintained the endless night across multiple timelines... Nimbus is the Sun God... he will lead us to the phoenix of prophecy... the father of all exos... the first exo Cayde Alpha. The god Maya created to kill other gods... to save all life as she sacrificed herself. Cayde was baited to his death, "How's yoUR SISTER". He figured it out, at the last minute but it was too late. Remember how Cayde died... remember his epilogues, why did he record those? Why would someone do that? Some more questions... why did he hide stashes outside the per view of Vanguard leadership... why did he go off on his own? Why was he on the reef, guardians? What was above it floating? Cayde didn't join the Vanguard, he was infiltrating it... he never trusted any of it. If we're the sheep dressed as wolves as Toland says... why would he. He was looking for Savathan... he was trying to save the universe. You know who actually killed Cayde? Set him up unknowingly... WE DID.
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Cool fan fiction bro
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2 RepliesI like your analysis but I suspect that many players, like me, don't really care about the story or lore. I just like having some sort of excuse/reason for driving my Sparrow around in spectacular locations, shooting things with cool guns and collecting armor in my endless quest to make my Guardian look cool.
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4 Replies[quote]There is no light.[/quote] I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying the light is really just a tool that The Witness uses to maintain power? Does that mean The Traveler is a pawn of The Witness? Could The Traveler and Savathun join forces to fight The Witness?
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Congrats! I'm happy as long as you are happy. If it turns out you hold the cypher and cracked the code that is this ' s t o r y ' I am duly impressed. With that said, would it be good if you were right and ten years in nobody but you understand what the heck this game is?