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Edited by pale(rider):
3/3/2023 9:08:39 PM
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The difficulty changes have killed my interest love of this game
I play with a hardcore group of people they’re amazing but literally screw them if this is what destiny is going to be. I completed the legendary campaign solo it was ok worse because of the new version of difficulty. I honestly hope for massive firings at this company. Why? Because of tenure or whatever at bungie there seems to be consistent undermining of any and all ability to foresee player reception and desire from this game.
What killed lightfall for me is the patrol zones like who tf is this for? Who wants to be cheesed in basic lost sectors? Thrilladrome was so cheesy and unfair. The boss infinitely fires with out care the volleys are so huge cover doesn’t even matter. This was a harder boss fight than calus just because I couldn’t do anything I had strand on and what other than my super was gonna do a thing to that hydra boss (I cheesed calus solo and don’t care trash expansion doesn’t deserve my best effort). Nothing made me hate the devs and whatever bs philosophy makes them want to undermine player expectations of quality and fun. In a game where player potential is tuned with a knife edge bungie doesn’t do the same with enemies.
With the recent hammering to ability cooldowns it made it painfully obvious that enemies aren’t treated with any of the same care. Casting abilities infinitely knock back and collision damage is so over done that it makes what I can do as a player laughable. I’ll never knock back anyone as hard as a psion void ability with my powered melee never be able to to suddenly get triple damage like tormentors when they’re low. In this expansion the enemies cast the space magic and the guardians just hope to survive. Lightfall is the worst iteration of a live service game in history.
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At this point they don’t even care about the player base cause whoever thought making the every mission in this game feel like a raid with a lack of man power is special needs. There is absolutely no reason a games PvE modes should make you feel like it’s no point of playing when we are supposed to be this all power chosen warrior. The lack of care of the community is baffling, it’s as if they don’t understand how to make something fun. The fact that there are MORE DIFFICULT MODES and the most average game difficulty is so -blam!- ridiculous it’s as if they don’t want you to actually enjoy playing the game but expect you to continue to support it.
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Titan veteran here i can honestly say i agree the patrol zone need's rework otherwise bungie going to find player highly turned off by it ASAP upvote if you agree.
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1 ReplyEdited by Heresy Hour: 3/4/2023 9:17:01 PMI don’t know by this point if I want to play the game again. I’m sorry it just rubs me the wrong way. What am I grinding for? So my magic number by gear goes up and the new zone still will hurt? I can understand challenges and the demands for it. However slowing down strikes? For some of us, it’s just in and out for pinnacles. That’s all we’re there for. I don’t want to have the game slow me down with some objective to make my weekly chores take longer. If I get to the point I can not have enemies be swords via grind, unless it’s GM’s or master raids as as I remember? Leave my power alone. I seriously do not like the new 5 strikes while gambit and crucible stayed 3 matches. Scoring is back yay, maybe it’s just me but I didn’t ask to change the pinnacle rewards goal. Long story short I don’t feel like making things take longer, making me weaker respects me grinding just so I can stay weaker. I grind for a reason, respect the time and effort a player puts in.
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That Lost Sector hydra is frakkin insane. The constant spam aoe is ludicrous & whoever thought this was "challenging' needs slapped with a rancid salmon right across the bake.. The whole 'make enemy's harder' thing was catering to one very specific crowd.. and that crowd does not include the general populace of players.. I get that ***** wants more challenges for their S-Teir raid crew but why the spanked 99% of their player base is beyond me. Neorumba patrol was a laughable. It's either empty or deadly. No time to look around. yer getting double tapped by orange bar HGs a mile away 🤣
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2 RepliesIf the content doesn’t challenge you, you’re not going to think. Brainless content gets old substantially faster than challenging content. With player retention dropping I’m not surprised they change difficulty and I don’t personally mind, hasn’t felt like everything just dies when you tag something with voltshot anymore.
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Here’s the thing, the game should be challenging (outside of low level content), but they aren’t challenging us in the right ways. Instead of creating meaningful encounters, updating old and predictable AI, and fun mechanics, they simply nerf us and buff the enemies along with adding jarring immune phases. That’s not difficulty. Think of D1 you couldn’t easily run through any encounter. We had abilities up constantly yes it still remained challenging. The enemy spawns, the balance of ability, and ESPECIALLY the encounter creation were all great in D1. There’s also the fact that so many encounters are completely built around Well if Radiance these days which is mind numbing. Well should’ve never existed in this game. As a warlock main, my opinion is that it only exists to dethrone bubble and lighten up poorly-made encounters since Bungie didn’t want to make anything new or unique. Just more damage, more enemies, and standing still to kill a boss. Granted Tormentors are SUPER fun to fight, Calus was AWFUL to fight in legendary. It’s already tough having to be constantly on the move without being out within an inch of your life after one hits
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15 RepliesI like how most of the replies are people wanting the game to be more difficult but I'm sorry no it shouldn't be. If they want a difficult game then why not go play dark souls or something and leave destiny 2 alone. The game from the very beginning was meant to cater to everyone casuals or not, you sign in have fun with your friends and de-stress. Nowadays you sign in yell at your friends for messing up and you feel more stressed than you did before playing the game. I don't understand why people want the game to be more difficult and I don't think I ever will but here we are now with lightfall, where the patrol zone is basically bullet sponge central. And I bet half of the people that called for the game to be more challenging are also complaining that it's too hard but they won't say it. Don't even get me started on the raids, I know we don't want stationary bosses anymore but to add a moving boss and then on top of that a million adds and then even more on top of that about 40 symbols we gotta memorize like that's a little too much. Yes raids should be more difficult I understand but some of the recent mechanics are just way over the top I almost fear what they'll do for the new one, probably add like 500 symbols or something. All of this because a couple of streamers said it was good it was a great challenge. I used to look up to Datto but recently he has become an annoying elitist. He even hates the fact that banshee can give god rolls for free basically like how low can you get for a video game for crying out loud. Once again I enjoy more difficult challenges in raids and such but the symbols have got to stop. I'm fine with moving bosses I am but the symbols. Oh yeah wanna clarify I'm on your side but at the same time I do think it needs to be a bit more challenging, not as much as what it is now but a bit. They can talk as much as they want but deep down they know it's the truth. So yes feel free to hate everyone is entitled to their opinions, but apparently for the people that say "git gud" if your opinion goes against destiny as in you talk bad about it they just freak out and start defending something they know is terrible all because they think they're gonna get a gold star. Congratulations you defended a game that you know sucks here 10 silver. If you wanna play a difficult game then get off destiny for once and go play dark souls or any other difficult game such as that. Destiny is in no way, shape, or form ever supposed to be difficult so stop trying to make it difficult all because you don't wanna get off and play something else. Sometimes I wonder if they even know there are other games out there. Yes I know the same can be said for the side that wants the game to be easy but you gotta understand what type of game destiny was to begin with. As I said it was meant to have fun with friends, build relationships and relax not the other way around. I apologize if the grammer sucks, I have fat thumbs and half the time find it difficult to type something this big. Oh yeah I also apologize that's it long.
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1 ReplyThe difficulty raise in a patrol area is mind boggling. I’ve been here for everything Destiny. All the ups and downs. This is the most asinine, head scratching, face palming season ever.
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2 RepliesIt's kind of amazing that Legend Lost sectors are now almost as hard as high end nightfalls and they still just give you some glimmer and 1 enhancement core too. Gtfo Bungie 😂😂😂😂
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4 RepliesI relate very strongly to this. They are removing the power fantasy and the ability for me to grind and level up and be stronger. I greatly dislike this
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It’s made it so that decent solo players are now forced to carry people. Not sure why they did this but I foresee a mass exodus soon. I almost feel like they didn’t play test this with actual people but just no life, d-bag streamers. The rewards aren’t any better for the large extra effort now having to be put in by people who don’t want to live on LFG.
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5 RepliesThe game isn't anymore difficult.....
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4 Repliesstreamers and top 1% have moaned about the game getting to easy (which it was) so bungie over do it again and F the fun out of the game.
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I didn't care for the "enemies are 5 levels above you" last season. I don't care for Bungie having these effective power caps in mid-game activities now. I'm confused why every enemy on Neptune's Patrol has a red exclamation point and stomps me into gibs when I got through the campaign fine at 1750. I don't understand why the entry level stuff has to be so overtuned for a "challenge." Maybe my casual butt just isn't welcome here anymore.
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There is a very small number or fanboiis who are spamming everything eith git good replies. Claiming the game is too easy. Well they can get good and level up and complete more challengjng activities. for everyone else this game is very irritating bungie doesnt understand the difference between irritating traps ans actual game difficulty
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5 RepliesCan't even explore neomuna on petrol without getting stomped
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Difficulty is hard!!! Roflmao.
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I remember early in d1 Bungie said bullet sponges weren't the answer to difficultly. Seems we're back to the bad old days of d2y1. Went free to play for lightfall and couldn't be happier. Games a mess!
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11 RepliesThis dude just said he hopes people get fired because the game is too hard but completed legendary solo. What the -blam!-..? What is the government putting in the air for people to lose their minds?
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Mad because bad. Thrilladome is easy. Campaign was a challenge, but yah get used to it
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I'm just glad I'm not the only one that has concerns with these changes bungee made to destiny 2
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Bro how bad are y’all at this game 💀 This game has always been too easy. As someone who takes major breaks away from this game, this DLC has felt pretty balanced in difficulty. Everyone is complaining about it being difficult and it’s annoying as hell. Just stop being an idiot. Play cover. Build your character for survivability. Don’t be a moron. It’s not that difficult and people like you crying all damn season will lead to bungie dropping the difficulty and at the end of the day the game becomes a snooze fest again. You’re one of those people that probably cried about Elden Ring being too hard as well. When did everyone become such children when it comes to difficulty in video games. Are y’all’s brains rotted this much from tik tok and social media that anything that’s somewhat challenging makes you instantly give up? I’m sorry your dopamine addicted brains can’t seem to have any patience anymore.
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I understand that some people like a challenge/ harder content to play and that's fine but not everything to do with pve needs to be challenging.When it comes to patrol zones I personally don't want the enemies to be tougher I just want more enemies around the area.Take the Mothyards in the Cosmodrome for example ,It's such a large area but has a small amount of enemies.You could go around it and think "why only 2 enemies here instead of 5 or 6" or " why not have some enemies over here".It has a lot of open space that feels like a waste to me.
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3 RepliesEdited by Mareep: 3/4/2023 8:35:37 PMMost of the things you're talking about aren't new. Enemies have spammed shots with insane precision in D2 for a long time now. The only new things introduced were enemy respawn rates were adjusted last season and they raised the power cap this season. The biggest difference this season is that we won't be able to out level most activities. Personally, I think this is a good thing since it lowers the amount of grind needed. The artifact levels were awful to level up past 10-13 as someone who doesn't bounty grind. They also introduced way more ways to stun champions which will make the endgame easier.
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Yeah like I basically told someone stuff similar to what you said in your post one person called me an idiot and a crybaby... If it's the truth it's the truth the truth being bungee do not think this through that now destiny feels like contest mode with Master version of escalation protocol the version from 2017.. I really wouldn't be surprised if Bungie makes a balance patch or tune stuff down because I'm telling you man the player numbers are going to go down so quickly.. I know that's the reason why sometimes it takes almost 10 to 15 minutes for me just to get into a vanguard Gambit or crucible activity because no one's playing the game they don't think it's worth their time anymore.. Bungie needs to start doing stuff what they want and stop listening to YouTubers because that's what happened protocol they listen to a YouTuber and it was a freaking disaster!
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I agree.. I don't have a problem with the difficulty I have a problem with the fact that they decided to make it where legend content you have to be the power cap you can't even properly level up... Dares nightfall weekly story mission to get the actual Pinnacle you have to be over 1800... Yeah they boost up the definitely and they lower progression to make it much more slower to level up effectively by just doing Pinnacles.. plus remember last season our weekly story mission always gave us a powerful and a pinnacle the weekly story mission for lightfall you can only do the Pinnacle... I just feel like all the stuff that they did to the difficulty and the progression it's going to lead to a lot of players stop playing the game for a long time it is pretty noticeable when in the fact that you try to play Gambit vanguard or crucible and matchmaking is taking almost 5 minutes just to go through or when you're going to like thermal overload and you're waiting in a lobby for people to show up and it takes almost an hour just for people to actually care enough to show up.. Simply put all of these changes within lightfall and the overall expansion of how people dislike the story it killed the player numbers..
