AE on primaries needs to be removed. Keep it on specials. There. Problem solved

Its REALLY hard to track people who can go straight vertical in less than a second. Hunter jump is the WORST thing to try and track, glide and lift are far more predictable. Point being, you already get the benefit of being able to do use whatever crazy movement you have, a jump ABILITY, to try and out maneuver the enemy(s) you are engaged with, which even includes using the SAME movement to be able to DISENGAGE incredibly fast and with little to NO risk what so ever. Being able to hit someone's head would be way to much benefit for an already powerful movement ability, and like I said, the hunter jump is the BEST at quickly losing someone who is tracking you. Especially in tight corners.

I like it, bunny hoppers are annoying

The blunt truth. AE was desperately needed to make the game more fair for less skilled players and to force the "veterans" to actually get good instead of being cheap.

Blunt truth… AE was implemented to attempt to balance out the advantage base Hunter movement had over the other two classes in crucible. Yes… an extremely skilled Titan or Warlock player has a chance (and TTD took that type of movement to the Warlock and why it was so dominant for so long)… but… There is a reasons why Hunter use in crucible has consistently outpaced their overall usage in PvE that goes beyond aesthetic choice. For the life of Destiny (and D2 especially) players have put down their preferred class in PvE to pick up a Hunter for PvP and the reason was the movement gap (and Stompees just exacerbated it).

I don't care about AE one way or another. I just don't want hunters having nice things because I don't like the idea of people enjoying edgelord classes in games (assassins, snipers, etc) because it reminds me of the fat big kid on the playground we all knew who talked non stop about owning guns, knives, swords, etc. Ya know... Mister "I have a 20 guage". Hunter players are that kid all grown up. Also don't like how hunters feel the need to jump more than any other class. We get it... Jump shot 360 no scoping someone in the tower all the way from Pluto feels badass 🙄

ABE was a nerf for hunters mostly and to some degree solar Warlocks. Since it has literally no effect on 75% of subclasses, I guarantee you it will stay. The only other option is to change Hunter jumps to something more in line with Titans and Warlock "floating jet pack" style jumps. Otherwise, the change was very needed and will stay. So if you're going to beat this dead horse, start asking for new Hunter jumps.

Imma be blunt too bungie did right by nerfing it I'm still makeing all my shots when I jump in the air, so far as I'm concerned it's a skill issue if you miss your shots

TRUTH IS THE CHANGES ARE AMAZING!

AE was only introduced to nerf experienced players and bring down the skill ceiling. It was just to cater to the lower skill bracket, these changes were implemented just before sbmm and they tried to spin it and use pretty words to make it seem like they weren't shooting veteran players in the face lol

Literally the only reason it was implemented was because they want new players for the other FPS's to migrate here. The problem with that is Destiny is a game that you have to want to play and then put in the work. The types of players that main those types of players want to be automatically good at it or they'll just leave. Instant gratification is the theme of todays youth. Its the science behind social media success. The default answer is good ridense but the truth is veterans are at the age where we have jobs and families. They have to replace us with fresh blood. The values in people in their early 20's are vastly different even in IRL. The unfortunate reality is that they have to build a game based on what attracts tomorrows consumer. Sbmm, AE, its all part of their plan. We are just ment weather the storm untill we r replaced.

I never really cared about AE one way or another. I just don’t want the hand cannon meta back again. And that’s not because I couldent fight against it but it was the same for years straight with little to no variety.

I'm with Banshee-44 when it comes to airborne gunplay. "All that jumping around never sat right with me." I know that this is a space magic video game and not real life with real laws of physics, but my M.S. in physics makes it hard for me to pretend that they don't exist at all. Being able to turn your whole body and aim accurately while in the air? You can't rotate just part of your body like that, or turn precisely 90 degrees and then stop rotating on a dime. We aren't cats with super-flexible spines that can always land on their feet. It would have to be done with our jump rockets somehow. You know, the ones that we are just able to turn on or off otherwise.

Airborne Effectiveness is an indirect nerf to STOM33z let’s be real.

AE was implemented to give lower skilled players am easier time because it's hard for them to look up or track targets. It's a garbage aspect of combat and should go away

I think the bigger problem is that there are many aspects of Destiny's gameplay that make no sense in terms of realism and the laws of physics. Being able to turn after you've jumped into the air (with nothing to push off of to do that or to stop your turn instantly after that) is just one of them. The relative amounts of damage per bullet between different gun types can be just bizarre. In the real world, most sniper rifles use the same ammo as what would be considered a high impact auto rifle, I would think. Yet somehow they can do up to ten times as much damage? How does it make any sense for a bullet from a sidearm to do more damage than [b]any[/b] auto rifle bullet? (A 9mm handgun round has about 1/3 the kinetic energy of the 5.56mm rifle round typical of the M-16, for instance.) Why does shotgun damage fall off so much that they are basically useless at what would still seem like fairly close range in the real world? (IMO, shotguns should be balanced by the very high recoil, rate of fire, slow reloading, low ammo capacity, and spread, not such insane damage falloff.) How do guardians running manage head shots so easily? Even John Wick couldn't get the kinds of kills typical of this game. Now, I said that the lack of realism, or even things contrary to reality, is the problem here. But I don't mean that the game should be more realistic. I mean that we need to accept that it isn't. Different gun types are balanced so that they are all useful within their niche, not because it makes sense physically. The ability to get head shots is about rewarding players that can master the fine controls of aiming and movement, not because it makes sense physically. I do have an issue with airborne gunplay, but that is because of how it seems [u]inconsistent[/u] with the way jumping works in the game. Our lift rockets, or whatever they are, are basically ON or OFF, yet somehow they also can also allow us to turn 57 degrees and stop our rotation so that we can get a head shot on someone 20 m away? I get annoyed when players jump around and kill me, sure. But I can accept that the game is designed for things like jumping and sliding being a thing even as stupid as it may seem to me from a physics standpoint. And I can then give players props for having mastered the game as it is, rather than how I might prefer it to be in terms of realism. So, I think consistency is the key, along with players accepting the game for how it is designed to work. All that said, I would say that there should be [i]some[/i] penalty to being in the air on your ability to be accurate. (Side note: what would have been pretty cool would be if the recoil from firing a weapon in the air would actually alter your trajectory)

I feel if they continue to stick to their guns on AE the armor system may need an overhaul. If it’s something that we can build into like mods people aren’t going to just build into having perfect accuracy in the air while sacrificing resilience, recovery or discipline. So far it feels like you’d have to go all in to shoot accurately in the air that you’ll be giving up a lot. And you’re already an easy target in the air. You have no cover. Either way it goes I personally don’t think people will give up parts of their builds for it.