JavaScript is required to use Bungie.net

Service Alert
Destiny 2 will be temporarily offline tomorrow for scheduled maintenance. Click here to view latest Destiny Server and Update Status.

Destiny 2

Discuss all things Destiny 2.
10/7/2022 1:35:33 PM
10

The changes to SMGs and Rangefinder are obviously bad for the PvP meta

Bungie mentioned in the recent TWAB that they'll be nerfing some SMGs that have longer ranges, most likely because they think it will give ARs more room to breathe. This makes absolutely no sense. Firstly, the meta outside of SMG range is obviously HCs and pulses, not ARs. If I'm realizing that my SMG can't reach far enough to be effective against certain opponents, I will never switch to an AR, I switch to a HC. On top of this, the CQC meta is already fairly toxic. Melee-teleporting and ability spam already make CQC chaotic and low-skill, and nerfing weapons like SMGs that thrive in that environment will do nothing but make CQC combat suck even more. The Rangefinder nerfs are also nonsensical, because we're currently in an extremely pulse-dominant meta, and even with the nerfs to NTTE, weapons like BXR and -blam!- will still be insanely effective, and will still outcompete HCs in a massive range of scenarios. The nerf to Rangefinder will do nothing but make pulses even more dominant, and this will also hurt SMGs even more, on top of the other nerf they're getting. The only consolation prize we get here is that sidearms are going to be getting a buff, which I have been wanting for a very long time. Bungie, watch how people actually play the game; don't try and force ARs into the meta by misreading the way the meta actually works out in-practice.

Posting in language:

 

Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Edited by WormChi: 10/10/2022 12:50:14 PM
    I see the meta getting much worse. Mostly due to them buffing shot guns and nerfing snipers. SMG changes will just help shot guns even more.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Are you out of your mind? The nerfs to SMGs are good. Auto Rifles don't even stand a change atm compared to SMGs. Also certain SMGs like Submission and Funnelweb are just outright broken strong.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

    3 Replies
    • Nah. It actually sucks to get melted at long range by a god roll Hero's Burden.

      Posting in language:

       

      Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

      6 Replies
      • They're also nerfing Pulse Rifle range. Why don't you wait on the changes to release, and then make a judgement call? Bungie has all the data, and you have nothing except your personal experience

        Posting in language:

         

        Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

        4 Replies
        • Gotta be honest even when I'm playing on console and have way more recoil my smg's range is genuinely too much lol as fun as it is I can agree it probably should be toned down

          Posting in language:

           

          Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

        • Edited by Dante: 10/9/2022 10:14:25 PM
          smgs are so free in this game thats beyond stupid peacekeeper titan should be illegal

          Posting in language:

           

          Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

          1 Reply
          • I hate how people think SMGs and Autos need to compete against each other. Autos are rifles they should be fighting scouts and pulse. Not HC and SMGs. People just hate on Autos too much and now they will be stuck in a crappy spot forever.

            Posting in language:

             

            Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

            2 Replies
            • Yeah honestly the range finder nerf seems odd to me. The only nerf needed is its effectiveness on handcannons cause it seems like it's the most favorable trait for them. As for other weapons it seems fine. If it was specific to handcannons it would make sense.

              Posting in language:

               

              Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

            • It’s not really nonsense as much as it sucks for smg mains ig. If you’re in shotgun range you’re not melting someone with a smg fast enough. If you’re lucky you might trade. CQC isn’t the best lightweight shotgun either after recent changes. Smg range at this point extends to AR/Pulse range, there are too many overlaps with weapon range/dmg. Idk wtf bungie is trying to do but it seems like the goal was to piss off a lot of people this week😂

              Posting in language:

               

              Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

              1 Reply
              • SMGs are only being held in check by our map rotation and the dominance of pulses. They're still dominant in 1v1 situations. They also do occupy almost all of the space that autos want to occupy with how much range they have. All of that being said, I still disagree with the nerfs for many of the reasons you stated. SMGs are holding back autos BUT the dominance of long range weapons is holding them both down. All nerfing SMGs will do is push them even further into irrelevance like autos.

                Posting in language:

                 

                Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

              You are not allowed to view this content.
              ;
              preload icon
              preload icon
              preload icon