Man...div came out in what, 2019? We were raiding just fine without it for 5 years. And part of that time was with double primaries and no raid banners. This game is NOT that hard. You do not need div to clear content. You dont even need it to comfortably clear content. It's going to be OK friend.

Div nerf should’ve brought it to a 20% debuff. A raid weapon shouldn’t be in line with tractor cannon or void grenades it should be better because of how hard it is to get.

My guess is they will allow ability weakens to stack on top of a Div much like how all our damage buff stack. Just a suspicion. It won’t be as bad as you think. Also, tractor cannon is still 30% debuff for 10 secs. 🧐👍

Your not wrong. I'll probably quit sherpaing players now. Bosses move to much or have to much health to balance this out. I'm not in this game to micro manage players either. I'll probably just kick people that can't do damage or do mechanics. Back to Gjallarhorn or kick days so to speak. 😘

Not a streamer, not a great player - I’m happy about the Div change. I wish they’d have done more by reducing the size of the crit bubble. It’s not only streamers & pro players that are tired of the endgame being laughably easy. ✌️

[quote]3) This entire nerf was brought up due to a streamer wanting to make the game more challenging for the top 10-20% of players and completely neglects casuals who just play and barely grind but were able to be carried. The game caters a lot to casuals while also making an even bigger barrier to entry into a hardcore player.[/quote] To be fair, casuals don't belong into Raid content anyways if they don't bother to play properly. Allowing casuals to complete raids easier by being carried is like bringing untrained civilians to a war front and expect them to fight well. There are reasons why only players fully devoting their time and brain to game systems and improvement get the best stuff in RPG games. I bet most casuals even play this game from a couch, 5 meters away from their screen and wonder why they have so horrible precision rates during play. I was forced to play like that the last 2 weeks and it makes a massive difference if you sit closer before your screen or not when it comes to precision. What I am saying is, casuals need to stop being casuals and actually work towards getting better at the game and getting better gear BEFORE setting foot into a raid. That's the intended design goal for engame content.

Simply don’t use it if it makes the game to easy for you 🤷 but nope streamers had to put their 2 cents in and cry about it.

With Paraphrasing Bungie: "we don't believe divinity in its current form is actually a balance problem" Also Bungie: "it has an extremely long uptime, is dominant in endgame content and sucks the air out of the room for other weaken options" Also also Bungie: "so we are nerfing it" The course of action does not match the declared stance and this seems to be a consistent problem over the life of the IP. - Players play game - Bungie presents new options for play - Players use options available - Bungie nerfs option due to perceived "dominance of option" - Players adapt, finding the next best option - Players play game - Bungie nerfs option due to perceived "dominance of option" - Players adapt, finding the next best option - Bungie introduces item presenting new options for play - Players use options available - Bungie nerfs option due to perceived "dominance of option" - Players adapt, finding the next best option - Players play game - Bungie nerfs option due to perceived "dominance of option" - Players adapt, finding the next best option - Bungie introduces item presenting new options for play - Players use options available And so on and so forth. This is a path that "works" as it addresses the symptom but not the problem and the problem is methodology of eco-system management. Using the example of Divinity being "dominant" because it removes the opportunity for other options, it's a shame Bungie didn't consider doing something with those options [using the examples listed in the TWAB]: Tether If a target is directly HIT by the tether - Increase its Radius (a metre or two); OR - The tether is attached to the initial target hit and MOVES with them, tethering enemies who enter proximity; OR - Initial duration is modified by number of enemies tethered and killed (add .5 to 1 second for each enemy tethered and another .5 to 1 second for each enemy killed) Tie any of the above to Hunter exotics that line up with the theme of the NightStalker like - Moebius Quiver - Assassin's Cowl - Foe Tracer - KnuckleHead Radar - Oath Keeper This would change how Hunters play their tethers making them think more about placement (strategic board control vs optimized assassination) Tractor Cannon options - Increase the total duration of the Scientific Method to 10s; - Modify the duration of the Scientific Method based on proximity to the target (the closer you are, the longer it lasts); - During Scientific Method, increase the damage of Void POWER Weapons above the flat bonus received; - During Scientific Method, increase the refresh rate of Void Abilities Any of the above would help to address the "dominance" of Divinity but even then, options relating to Divinity itself could be considered: - Change Judgement so Precision hit is what procs the larger Crit Bubble for allies and sustained Fire (constant, not feathered) is what maintains the Crit bubble OR - User lands precision hit to the enemy, sustained fire grows the bubble BUT as the bubble is being sustained at max size, Divinity consumes super energy, then abilities to weaken the enemy This forces precision attack, sustained constant fire (not feathering...) ripping through ammo, and loss of super usage to assist the team. Note Bungie how none of these options require a nerf of effect but a commitment to play. So instead of nerfing everything down to achieve some weird sort of equilibrium, promote effective play by having players engage in deliberate choices. Utility isn't the problem here. Game Dev Ideology is.

3. ) People need to get good at the game, sorry that you're forever stuck farming strikes till' your heart gives out. 4. ) No Linear Fusion Rifles worth using? Lmao, the Taipan-4FR is readily avail. for new Lights after they get the relic unlocked on Mars. 5. ) That's why you get good and build craft around your bad damage. Sorry that people have such a hard time with this game.

While some buffs can be stacked based on situation, debuffs cannot. But in the end, the same arguments you are making about this whole Div nerf thing is what people were saying waaaay before Div was even in conception - back when you had to have the talent to hit crit spots. People whined that taking away instant reloads using Titan barricades would hurt the game. They said removing buff/debuff stacking would ruin the game. They said removing the infinite ammo perk on Whisper would ruin the game. Removing the Tribute Hall - oh no, how will we ever know which weapon will be DPS meta? The game is ruined! Can't reload Izanagi's as fast anymore. Whoa is me! #CancelBungie. It's sad, really. This is an ever revolving door of crying, and Bungie offering up something just as good if not better. A good raid team can run the entirety of any raid with or without a Div. It just makes it a lot easier and helps speed things. LFR are easy to farm/craft right now - there is on excuse for not having one other than one just started playing an hour and 32 minutes ago. Carrying is a plague on this game. Sure, it's okay to be casual, but expecting people to carry your weight is downright toxic. Play, learn, teach, experience new weapons/environments...that is Destiny. Not, let me hop in your backpack and do all the work for me, while I get free rewards that I didn't earn, nor deserve. If one is so casual that they don't want to learn to play the game properly, as in pre-Div PvE world, then as I've said 100x before, this game is not for them. Last point, if you read the TWAB, Bungie has apparently been planning on such a nerf for awhile. It does twice the debuff that the next best (tractor cannon), and also applies a crit bubble. Complaining about it does nothing but make us look like whiners. Div will still be useful - it just won't provide double the debuff that it once did. Sort of like how Izanagi's is 2-3x slower to load honed edge, but yet, people still use it.

Number 3 is wrong

Whiner Bungo doesn't want a default weapon loadout. Divinity was the answer to every raid boss encounter.

It won’t hurt this game whatsoever…D2 will keep rolling ….drawling more new players and keeping the current players hooked . This game needs some competition badly .

Disagree div is too powerful. Needs a nerf. Good job Bungie.