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9/30/2022 6:00:43 PM
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Why is there no SBMM in Trials but it's in Control? Also why is freelance not constant?
So Im a solo player. I get matched up against stacks of diamonds and Im trash. Why is this even possible? I thought this was supposedly a competitive mode?
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1 ReplyBecause Trials is end game PVP and control is a 6v6 casual mode.
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Because the concept of "flawless" can only exist in CBMM and card-based matchmaking modes. If you want anything other than that in Trials, gonna need to ask to rework the goal as well, which may or may not be a good thing. I persoanlly think "flawless" is outdated, but should still have value. Let's say hypothetically the card stayed as is, but card based matchmaking got more strict. Solos tended to matc solos, but could match teams is a skill based metric said it would be a decent match. (Wouldn't need flawless or freelance pool if this is done properly.) Tie flawless to ships, sparrows, ornaments, adpets with extra perks, unique armor sets, armor dropping fully materworked or with a minimum of 20 in a stat of your choice, etc. Now add crazy value for sitting at 7 wins and farming, and even more for farming while flawless, by allowing [i]a portion of[/i] the above to drop from post match rewards. Now it gets harder as you progress, but if you make it to 7 wins, you get 1 standard adept. And you can reset and try again if that is easier than farming at 7 for you, but farming at 7 would be MUCH better for better players. I GUARENTEE you the playlist would be flooded with players.
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11 RepliesEdited by newZ: 10/1/2022 6:21:23 AMThe game mode is 3v3 and not rumble and Destiny is a Team based shoter with the possibilty to join a clan. This is not a solo player game!
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1 ReplyMoney....streamer and dev paid carry services would suffer
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I just don’t understand why players think trials is post cater to them when it was made for player to test there skill against a variety of players
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Edited by Sweet Lew 88: 10/3/2022 12:26:45 AMTo get to the lighthouse, you need to beat the best players or get lucky with easier match ups. It's not, beat people the same skill level as you..... Maybe there aren't teams of people with your skill level? Do you practice in Elimination? The trials practice mode? If not, you're not trying to win. Solo queue isn't for going to the lighthouse, it's just to finish quests or get random wins. If you want to do well, find a team and practice in Elimination. Separation is in the preparation. Use solo queue to make friends.
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15 RepliesTrials is card based. Thats why. Trials is top tier player event you need to be decent skilled player to get to seven wins. Being solo player is not something to be proud about in PVP on Destiny it is a team based game modes besides rumble. You need to shoot move communicate and frag your enemies.
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1 ReplyThere is for the first two wins I thought? Then card based after that.
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8 RepliesSBMM is where you go to increase your Skill, over time, rising through the Brackets you then hit the Highest Bracket. You then take your Skill and see how it holds against others with no safety Net. That's what SBMM....it's a Safety Net. And why there's no Permanent Freelance, is because a Large portion of the population doesn't like it. More problems then Reg. From recent numbers(Trials Report) it appears only 1.5k-2,000 players join in on Freelance weeks. Not enough. Pretty much can lead to only 1.5k to 2k play Freelance. That's bad. Freelance is non important pretty much.
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22 RepliesJust because you can't compete doesn't mean it's not competitive. The point of competition is that better players perform better and this incentivizes personal improvement. If trials had sbmm there'd be no point to getting better.
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Trials doesn't use SBMM because it matches based off wins on the card. Typically the your 1st and 2nd wins are the toughest because everyone is going for flawless so they reset after 1 or 2 losses. Also use lfg, and wait till Sunday or Monday as the flawless pool kicks in on Sunday and anyone who goes flawless gets put into a separate pool
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1 ReplyI wish players that suck without freelance would just stay out of trials on non freelance weeks. Then you would always have a freelance playlist. And the solo players that are in would be stronger for the duo or the full solo teams that get put together.
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SBMM in Trials: 1) Does not necessarily mean more players will go flawless. It just distributes the Flawlesses among a wider range of skill. In fact, less players overall may go Flawless than the approximately 25% we have now. 2) Trials is meant to reward skill. You cannot implement SBMM to Trials without scaling the rewards. 3) The playerbase (as it is currently) doesn't support SBMM. There's simply not enough players online playing Trials at any given time to justify splitting the playerbase up. SBMM belongs in Control, because these complaints don't apply there. Control is meant to be enjoyable to all and doesn't seek to reward skill.
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12 RepliesEdited by J: 10/1/2022 2:11:20 AMYou simply can’t have sbmm in a mode that requires a 100% win rate for success, sbmm tries to get everyone as close to a 50% wr as possible. You may disagree with that but that’s all there is to it.
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4 RepliesStop crying. Honestly. You cry babies will never stop until you are hand delivered a trophy. You cried for solo queue, you go it. You cried for flawless pool, you got it. You cried for weapons without winning, you got. Still not enough though for losers like you.
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2 RepliesYou know what, I think we should just give you the Adept Weapon and all the materials, just because you're a special sunflower and you deserve special sunflower rewards. Did you get the Day 1 Raid emblem? No? No worries, because you're getting it! Because you....are....a....special....flower
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3 RepliesEdited by Infamous067: 10/1/2022 3:15:45 PMWhat’s a diamond? This ain’t overwatch lol. Also nah get good, its bad enough a casual mode is being treated like competitive. Trials is supposed to be end game pvp, so just like you all told us high skill players, “git gud”.
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Solo queue will never be permanent. Theyxwant lower level playeds in normal so streamers can get the paid carries
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2 Replies[quote]So Im a solo player. I get matched up against stacks of diamonds and Im trash. Why is this even possible? I thought this was supposedly a competitive mode?[/quote] Because PvP in Destiny is predicated on smashing casuals. It’s actually not competitive at all. I run around with a jotuun getting engrams and stacks of guardians go to the lighthouse after playing me lol Trials is a joke and the lighthouse is utterly meaningless.
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2 RepliesBecause Trials is not really end game PVP. It was in D1 but now it is watered down. It is fantasy land for players who want a competitive experience without the competitiveness.
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Can’t have SBMM in trials without the rewards to match 🤷♂️
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1 ReplyAnswer to your topic question: Because that would make too much sense. It's beyond me that we get sbmm in the only casual game mode. Meanwhile we have trials, elimination, survival and iron banner as potential playlists for SBMM that would be/are way more fitting as a competitive environment. (Yes ik survival and elim already have it). Why does the only casual game mode have to be ruined with tournament like sweat matches aswell? Can't we just have a CASUAL party playlist back where we can try out loadouts and just chill? Maybe call that playlist "quickplay" or "classic mix" and make it use pure CBMM cause the game is using peer to peer in 2022 still and simply doesn't work with sbmm providing fun and good matches? I miss Forsaken.
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Seriously
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6 RepliesEdited by FataLVisioN_Oo: 10/2/2022 6:44:48 AMUhhh no thanks unless losses don't matter 👍 It sucks losing to teams that are all between 2-3kd but they are extremely rare 🤙 There is already a flawless pool 🙄 should people be able to reset their cards until there is a loss? Probably not. (thanks all the people resetting at 6 wins to pub stomp while the flawless pool is active)
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1 ReplyThe truth is - every other game usually has SBMM in ranked and none (or at least, a less strict form of SBMM) in casual. For some reason, Bungie is going about this method completely backwards.
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It’s not competitive in the slightest, if you check matchmaking in Destiny tracker or trials report and you can see most teams that are solos will be evenly balanced but when you have a team it messes with matchmaking algorithm and gives you what you had last game basically. Trials back in D1 was it, it never got back to that pinnacle because the community didn’t want it back, the streamers did for subs and stuff.
