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9/26/2022 3:42:50 PM
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Why third party hardware cheating is actually far worse than most people realise

People barely understand what is going on, and believe that performance boosting third party hardware is what is broken, but in reality the major issue is third party hardwares’ ability to disguise mouse and keyboard as a controller. Using a mouse and keyboard disguised as a controller gives it the lenient aim assist of controller with the precision of a mouse, slap on an aim assist boosting script and you’ve got what is equivalent to almost soft aim bot on both console and PC. The cheaters on console are ridiculous, the scripting isn’t even the major issue, someone who is terrible at the game with 0 awareness isn’t becoming a god with a recoil reduction script or aim assist boosting script, its people using mouse and keyboard and gaining controller aim assist, alongside the ability to negate both recoil and flinch with ease. You only have to go play warzone or apex in a high skill mixed lobby to see how there is no way someone on a controller can ever compete with a competent m&k player in a movement heavy FPS, just look how many controller players are there in in pro level PC gaming? Their movement, degree of control (a whole arm adjusting a mouse versus a thumb controlling a tiny stick) and ability to make many adjustments to their aim at such a rapid speed just makes m&k leaps and bounds ahead of a controller on an FPS and many aren’t even cheating to receive the controller aim assist advantage, they are just using exponentially superior input with the added bonus of sticky aim assist. The fix is so mind numbingly simple and easy that someone is still beyond the bungie dev team. All these scripts as well as well as using a mouse makes use of many, many movements using the right stick, a number averaged in a given time frame that even the most overzealous stick slammer couldn’t possibly achieve using a standard joystick. Its that simple, do some testing, see the absolute highest possible number of stick movements possible over a given time frame, anyone over that threshold consistently, instant ban. This was an idea floated by another dev team as a possible fix in a game that was absolutely destroyed by mouse and keyboard use on console, but much like bungie, the devs wen’t “people aren’t quitting and refusing to pay for content en mass, who cares”. In the past when I’ve asked game companies why they do nothing they say “its up to the hardware provider to deal with that issue” and vice versa when asking asking console providers, each passing the buck for what is a detrimental issue they both should address. They key is if they aren’t loosing money they simply don’t care.
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  • That's why real men play on PS5 👍

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    • If you want to know what it does, watch the video. The only thing I disagree with is how many have been sold. Cronus has been around for many years. They hide the total sales and only aggregate by version, so the number Aztecross has is not the total sales. You could estimate that number though. That’s not on Aztecross, however. He and his team did a great job with the topic. He could only report what’s available on the site, which is purposefully misleading. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhkl9eGfo-I

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      • Cammy cakes made a video and ended up taking it down because of the backlash he got from saying he uses it and it isn’t the people doing fault but bungie for not banning it

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        • It's why I don't play pvp anymore. Cheaters.

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        • Edited by NotCreative123: 9/28/2022 5:22:44 PM
          Quit posting incorrect information. Here's your research: Using a controller emulator is a form of cheating. Definition: A Controller emulator is a device that interfaces between your controller and your console. It is programmable and will run simple scripts. Common uses include: removing recoil from weapons, adding a rapid-fire mod to weapons, artificially adding reticle stickiness by modifying reticle movement, and programming complicated movements like bow/handcannon hotswap. Another common application of controller emulators allows you to use Mouse and Keyboard as an input rather than a typical console controller. Here are the facts that people usually get wrong: (1) A controller emulator can only do what your controller can do. Infinite ammo, wall hacks, invincibility, and other things that are usually impossible are also impossible to accomplish with a controller emulator. A controller emulator will not give you "aim-bot", but it will make it easier to reliably land shots (reduced recoil, increased reticle stickiness). (2) Lots of people think that controller emulators are commonplace on console. The fact is that no one knows how common they are, because the data doesn't exist. (3) Lots of players have claimed that they themselves or top players can identify cheaters by the way they move, aim or behave in the game. I'm sorry to tell you, but I haven't heard a single reliable method of identifying a person using this, and I've been looking.

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          • What about putting a cross hair in the middle of the telly. Is that cheating?

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            • Console ban those losers

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            • Edited by BraddyBo: 9/28/2022 5:26:33 AM
              Thousands are players are about to see their kd and win ratio absolutely tank, some will probably quit the game. The hardware can’t come soon enough, I’m glad epic actually cares about their community because without them I don’t see any other dev going first in adding anticheat on the console side.

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                Remember a few weeks ago when cbmm was the issue? Now it’s this? Maybe you’re all just terrible

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                  i cant belive someone would even defend this, those devices are cheats just that cheats and should be bannable

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                  • Absolutely cheating. Screw that.

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                  • If you are caught using them you should be banned if it gives no advantage then there's no reason to use one

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                    • What was the other game that was destroyed by mouse and keyboard?

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                      Every time I see a post like this I’m surprised by the amount of people who think it’s not cheating. It’s literally scripts.

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                      • They only have to look at what some of the controller makers have done to prevent these being used. My son brought a zen a year ago started using it and the things it can do to help are just plain game breaking. After his controller died about 6 months ago he brought a wired controller and the zen just would'nt work with it now he is on his third controller (currently using a turtle beach wired controller and that doesnt work with the zen either so he ended up selling it (he got near double what he payed because people were fighting over buying it from him due to the company being out of stock) Anti recoil Extra aim assist Rapid fire Anti flinch Jump/drop/slide shot Hot swap Auto load M&K

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                        • It’s so bad on console nearly every game has a player using 3rd party

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                          • Streamer makes video, someone copies it and posts it here. Business as usual.

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                            • Thank god i play apex on console and avoid terrible destiny pvp Destiny pvp has no maps of worth Destiny pvp has very little support from bungie Destiny pvp que time is too long Destiny pvp lag is the worse Destiny pvp has more cheaters than any game I play Destiny pvp balance is awful All I can say positively is destiny has great gunplay and I love the abilities

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                              • Edited by hvnis4real777: 9/27/2022 10:17:36 PM
                                Yup. Of course, they force to play causal crucible too. This game is really starting to suck! Cheaters are over compensating for the implementation of sbmm. Of course, my kd is what it used to be way back when (I choose not to cheat...for super losers), but just played my three games for pinn, and it was crazy, so obvious. Of course, not one win. The only one i came close to was someone that must of been ddossed and it put me in.

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                              • Isnt Bungie in a lawsuit for stopping cheating software, as the claim is that they are preventing people from playing the game by not promoting the software?

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                              • Why bother pointing this out? Bungie couldn’t be clearer that they are highly uninterested in preventing cheating. Focus on what you can change even if that means making hard choices. I’ll even help you start. Is something really worth caring about more than those who make it and is it worth investing time in something that won’t even address obvious problems? Not saying quit the game but don’t over invest yourself if you require simple corrections like this because bungie has no intention. Like you said most devs do but most devs aren’t taking people to court like bungie does. However judging by the problems they are willing to spend money suing over your wasting your time.

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                              • Bungie if you are listening please do what Fortnite is doing to clean up crucible too many cheaters using these anti recoil and auto lock aim. It’s only $100 bucks also which is sad

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                                • I just wanted to come on here and share that I recently played against a console cheater and it was very obvious.

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                                • I never figured out how some people can move side to side so well while aiming and shooting back at me. I can move then shoot, move then shoot, maybe shoot a little while moving but not much. People that move extensively while shooting always bewilder me. Are they cheating? Who knows but sometimes it seems unnatural.

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                                  • Smart idea: Go watch aztecross's video about the cronus zens and what not and how detrimental they are.

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                                  • I completely agree. This isn’t just a problem that plagues Destiny either. Other big titles such as Rainbow Six Siege, CoD, and Battlefield all are suffering from this and the developers just don’t seem to care.

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