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8/14/2022 6:32:43 PM
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Trials Double Rank Rewards Are Misleading and Use PvE Players
I don’t normally play PvP, and there is a good reason…..First of all, you don’t matchmake (I suck and am at 0.29, but somehow I always seem to get put against players who are 1.8 to 3+). Second, you point system to get non-PvP players to participate is a joke and an insult to us.
Regardless, not truly understanding just how bad the point system really was, I decided to go ahead and try doing some Trials this weekend, in order to get “DOUBLE RANK REWARDS"…..what a joke!
My first game, we got slaughtered 5-0, and a player on my team ended-up leaving (can’t say I blame them, giving the unfairness of it all). After the match, I receive my "DOUBLR RANK REWARDS" of 5 points. That’s correct, I did t make a mistake….only 5 points!!! The 2nd game went almost exactly the same way, although we did accidentally win 1 round. Still, a person on my team ended up leaving, due to our slaughter, and I again was fortunate to receive my wonderful "DOUBLE RANK REWARDS" of 5 points!!!
The 3rd, 4th and 5th matches were also wipeouts, with each giving me a whopping 56 DOUBLE REWARD POINTS. It takes thousands of points to rank up in Trials. How in the heck is anyone not at good PvP supposed to be able to level up, when the points you give are so low…..especially when even "DOIBLE RANK REWARD" points are so freaking low?!?!
Thie Trials structure, especially when advertising now is the time to play and get those juicy "DOIBKE RANK REWARDS," directly misleads players….seemingly, so we can simply be used as fish in a barrel for all of the PvP players. This system has no respect for our time, or us as customers who give such a great deal to make Bungie successful.
PvP players have no problem participating in all PvE activities and being able to capture the highest level of rewards, but many of us PvE players are not able to participate in even non-Adept rewards, due to the injustice of the system. Even PvE players can always reset rank with Zavala and get every weapon available, even if they can’t beat GMs and get the Adept weapons. Trials should be the same way. Isn’t excusing all of us PvE people from the Adept Trials weapons enough?
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Double Rank in Trials is like Double Loot in GM but the difference between grinding Trials without it and with it is massive compare to 2x loot in a GM completion. Especially when you use Passage of Wealth, 7 win card of that + Double Rank would let the reputation soar. Only time where grinding for reset is worth it in Trials as a PvE player.
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You need a potential weapon drop after every game. Rep needs to be increased and focusing needs to be cheaper
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4 RepliesOP: Those ‘points awarded’ seem a bit off?! I’m a 0.3% k/d tortoise and was grinding Trials to get the fusion rifle (✅) and the sidearm (wip), and to reset - time permitting. I’m only doing this because of the dbl points, and, as most other stuff I normally do is mostly done. I have zero aspirations to go flawless and/or get to the Lighthouse. That’s the reality and I’m okay with that. My experience: done T / W over so many games - to get weekly bounties done…will continue with H later after sleep, etc. The early rounds were actually fun; capturing the ‘point’ was quite strategic in parts, depending on the movements of the opposing team. There was a steep learning curve, though not irksome. I use a Mercy card which I don’t bother to ever reset. All was going well, until, at a certain stage, the stacked teams of ninjas appeared, and kept coming, and my teammates started to quit. When it got too ridiculous, that’s when I bounced. Shooting fish in a barrel is nothing to brag about. 😂 As far as the game mode - capture the point, I thought it quite good; it was quick to play and, strategy + slayer abilities did equal a win. So, if one is on the losing team, it was over very quickly. Freelance was as expected…no complaints there…although the matchmaking seemed quite skewed a lot of the time, eg, 3x Tortoises vs. 3x Hares… 🧐 As I’m not a slayer type, I concentrated on trying to capture the point, which worked out fine in the early games…up until the tide changed, then our whole team was sliced and diced every match in short order. How can I drop players that can shoot through walls / rocks / around corners, and materialise behind me from out of the blue, who are so brilliant they OHK with any weapon or even kill me with a melee from unbelievable distances - even in a ‘super’ (though I hardly ever got a ‘super’ in these Trials runs) - but you know what I mean! Etc…etc… Anyhoo, that’s it. TLDR: 🤖 Cheers! MDGA 👈
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1 ReplyEdited by Meaga: 8/15/2022 7:12:50 PMSomething is not adding up about your trials report and games played. A 0.6 playing at a 0.2 when trials is easier than it has ever been? MULTIPLE zero kill games? Not even an assist in those games? It seems that you go AFK a lot.
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Tl;dr you gain way more rank xp after you manage to get 7 wins (even if non flawless), you'll get even WAY more xp if you buy the card that says you get more xp after your 3rd, more xp % at 5th and even way more at 7th win Last weekend was great in Freelance, wasn't hard to win matches unless getting paired with absolute bots or in my case against people using Wish Ender to wallhack or -blam!- Crimson, a over the top OP vanilla D2 weapon that should've got nerfed a long time ago, it shouldn't have absurd range, stability, aimassist, reload speed and handling, the gun has no downsides whatsoever on top of giving health on kills and autoreloading the gun on crit kills
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Trials is broken. Don’t play it. Especially if you are not a top-tier pvp player. There is nothing in that part of the lootpool that you need.
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Trials xp is based on 2 things...rounds won. up to 20 rounds. And actual participation. 20 rounds won and a loss is 200 points on double xp week. If you dont even get a single kill or dont do anything in the whole match you get no xp. You get full xp if you move every match and shoot enemies every match.
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5 RepliesIf your bad you don't get the loot its a simple concept.
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2 RepliesThose paid carry websites love players like you. Instead of taking the time to understand the basics of trials, you would rather come here and complain about how “unfair” it is. You get zero sympathy from me.
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If you can’t earn the rewards you cant get them. I don’t have a team for master bow so no adept insidious for me. What’s the issue
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11 RepliesThis you pal? Afk farming? [quote]Yea ...no You didn't got 5 rank point ...its too low even for a losses Please stop lying for attention Btw since you don't seem to understand how it work your rep gained scale with how much win you have on your card Edit: so that game you got 5 point is it the 1 where you didnt play and got 0 kill? Because that is the bot detecting you try to ark farm and lower all rewards .... Congrats on telling on yourself[/quote]
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This post highlights exactly why Trials will always have issues with player retention.
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You get more rank points the more wins you have on your card. It literally says this on the card. At 3 or 4 wins you get 200 ish points per game win or lose.
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8 RepliesIt matches based off card wins, so you could be a 0.1 and go against a 3.0 if neither has gone flawless that week and both have the same wins on the card. I will admit it should be much more rewarding, however I dont see how 2x rep is misleading. I mean your rep per match is based on round wins and wins on the card, then it doubles. So with 7 wins you get 200 rep, then with 2x you get 400. Unfortunately with 0 wins, if you lose then you get 0 rep. Honestly they need to make 50 the minimum and the 1st match win should give 200 rep normally, then at 7 wins you should be getting 1000 rep. Also completing matches should have a chance to drop older rewards you've unlocked.
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Trials rep is cumulative, based on wins on your card. The more wins, the more points you get from both wins and losses until you reach 7 wins.
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1 Reply[quote]due to the injustice of the system. [/quote] 🤦🏽♂️ ffs… I can understand you being frustrated for getting dunked on but this was too much. If you go in to the playlist with the intent of failing upwards, wouldn’t you expect it to be painful the entire time? I don’t get to go in to GM’s, fail the entire time and get showered in loot. You fail in trials equivalent PvE and you get nothing. It doesn’t sound like the game disrespected your time, it sounds like you did. Also, I’ve lost a number of games this weekend and always received more than 5 rep points. Not calling you a liar but it is sus.
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1 ReplyYou are partially correct... You don't get enough points. I guess... Simply because I don't care about ranking so I don't pay enough attention to know if the progress is slow or not. But on the other hand you are the perfect example of why freelance trials is terrible. Yet another player going in just to try and get a loot handout. Not due to accomplishment but time invested. 100% sure you don't optimise your gear and probably use weapons that cannot compete in the current sandbox... Or a toaster user.. Either way... As said in another post... Zero effort, zero f***$ given, just there to make your team-mates life harder.
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4 RepliesNot sure why you think you can be that bad in pvp and expect fair balanced games in a pvp mode that isn’t sbmm. Like, do you really have no clue about the game you are playing? I mean good god, you admit to being bad and hardly playing pvp then complain about getting slammed? 🤦 End pvp activities aren’t for bad pvp players. Not exactly breaking news dude.
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4 RepliesEdited by NinjaBadgerBurn: 8/15/2022 10:51:02 AMThere is a reason for this chief. If the game thinks you are not participating it'll low rep you. You have to be engaging with opponents even if you're loosing those engagements - e.g if you're running headstrong to your death before getting a shot off, I don't think the game counts that. My first 10-15 games yesterday were a mixed bag but on the games where I was getting HARD dunked, if my team noticeably gave up I barely engaged in the later rounds and I ( rightfully so ) got low balled on the rep. Once I spotted this I kept my focus and always made sure to engage. Always got my rep no matter the outcome after ( and note it scales up the more rounds you win ).
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I think the rank boost is broken in Trials. I posted about that the other day too. I also just posted this morning that Trials is just not rewarding unless you can go flawless. [url]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/261549064[/url]
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Really In truly the rank/reward system needs to be revamped for all players. Win or lose! Whether trials is seen as a competitive playlist/endgame pvp/ or just a sweat fest by any player. The amount of work it takes to get streaks/wins needs to have rewards/rank points worthy of the time players put into the game mode.
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4 RepliesEdited by hate n payne: 8/15/2022 12:20:38 AMThe sad part is players dont realize if bad or average players didnt exist in Trials, it would be a crap show. People dont want to acknowledge that realism and assume the game mode that is more cheesy than competitive isnt for bad players even though they are needed more than anything. Without bad or average players, most would barely make it through the first few rounds and even more few for Flawless. Trials will be nothing more than a wannabe glorified competitive mode built around a casual environment of play. If Bungie wanted Trials to truly be competitive, a lot of the cheesiness that occurs would be removed and each match would be down to the wire.
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Bungie doesn’t give a flying -blam!- about pvp or how broken the game modes are… its been like 8 years and it’s still a -blam!- show
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Is not a good time for pvp Bro that mode is broke beyond repair.
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1 ReplyMake good use of your grenades since it's Capture point. Also long-range weaponry works well on the Wormheaven. Stay far away, use cover.
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4 RepliesEdited by DarkMoonWolf666: 8/15/2022 3:07:18 AMYea ...no You didn't got 5 rank point ...its too low even for a losses Please stop lying for attention Btw since you don't seem to understand how it work your rep gained scale with how much win you have on your card Edit: so that game you got 5 point is it the 1 where you didnt play and got 0 kill? Because that is the bot detecting you try to ark farm and lower all rewards .... Congrats on telling on yourself
