Because Destiny has to deal with both Peer-to-Peer-based gameplay (which is bad enough) AND Sony not playing well with others (they’re extremely dodgy on crossplay due to security concerns and only do it at all because of the massive demand for it). Either/or would make any multiplayer iffy at best; both makes it a nightmare. Too bad you can only turn off PC/console crossplay and not also inter-console crossplay.

[quote]I'm on Xbox, playing momentum (hardcore pretty much) and I've noticed a pattern. I can kill Xbox players very easily like in other games but playstation players take forever to kill, often not taking damage at all, teleporting, warping. The frustration is real when I'm shooting a guy in his back, he takes 0 damage, turns and 1 hits me. Is this normal? Not sticking around if it is Also, every lobby has 9-11 psn players and 1-2 Xbox, gambit too, is this normal also?[/quote] Yes, both are normal. Playstation is a lot more popular, especially in Europe, and therefore you’ll see more of us. The crossplay lag goes both ways, we experience the same issues against Xbox players all the time, and while Playstation has the majority in most console lobbies it still makes the match unplayable when you have a few opponents that don’t take damage. Its been like this for months ever since crossplay was introduced and Bungie refuses to even acknowledge issue. If i queue with a PC player into PC lobbies i usually have no significant issues so in my experience at least it is an issue between XBL and PSN. With that said, even without crossplay the game has always had lag issues because it uses a P2P-system and your own connection is not the only factor, they also do a poor job in geolocation which often results in multicontinent or continent wide lobbies which will always be laggy, and on top of that next season they will add skill based matchmaking on top of this lag fest which will make it even worse than it already is since you will have less people in your matchmaking pool and therefore even less likely to get players from the same region as you. Bungie has neglected the pvp side of the game for years, connection quality is something they clearly dont care at all about since they only tested these crossplay connections in strikes and are adding SBMM to a system that already has constant issues, every season they introduce something that is so strong that it dictates the meta and leave it as is for monts at a time, and years ago when they said they will have renewed focus in pvp all they did was pull some maps from the rotation and returned them later basically unchanged with equally shitty spawns and went silent after that.

The TLDR is that Bungie doesn't use dedicated, instead they use a hybrid peer to peer system which makes crossplay between different consoles and different generations of console much worse than it should be.

Because… Bungie!

It’s a placebo effect. Destiny doesn’t use fully dedicated servers like literally every other multiplayer game and instead uses Bungie’s own “peer to peer hybrid” system. It’s made connections awful even since D1 but they haven’t acknowledged the glaring issues since 2014.

Because it's not a PvP game

It's not broken. It's working as intended.

Unfortunately this is the norm, crucible is a -blam!- experience now and it never seems to get better only worse. P2P connections coupled with crossplay is an absolute disaster. I used to play pvp quite often but now rarely as it just annoys me. Will anything ever be done about it? Absolutely not and the new change they are going to implement is only going to make things worse. It does not matter if its SBMM or CBMM if we are using p2p systems from the 20th century!!!!!

Haha I have the exact opposite experience. I’m on ps5 and all of my lobbies are full of Xbox players, usually about 80/20. Laggy as hell too.

Could be many things, lag, peer to peer BS, or simply losing your aim assist on a hunter that dodged and got his health back from classy restoration. Welcome to destiny, the most casual and BS fps you will ever play.