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Edited by DJ Prof K:
6/30/2022 6:54:04 PM
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Can we please get equal ability distribution for all classes? Still frustrated.
[b]TLDR AT END[/b]
No, i'm not even talking about balance.
Edit because this is getting ridiculous, so i'll shout it from the rooftops.. [b][u]I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY ABILITIES BEING MORE POWERFUL THAN OTHERS. I SIMPLY WANT EQUAL ABILITY CUSTOMIZATION FOR ALL CLASSES. STOP SAYING "but this is better than that" IT ISN'T ABOUT WHAT'S BETTER. [/u][/b]
For reference in Solar 3.0:
Hunters have 3 super variants, 3 dodges, 4 melees, all three of their aspects don't overlap too much with those existing abilities/are completely dependent on them.
Warlocks have 2 super variants, 2 " real" class abilities (phoenix dive should be bundled in with icarus you all know it), 2 melees, and 3 aspects.
Titans have 2 super variants, 2 class abilities, 2 melees, and 3 aspects again, but one of them literally just overrides the melee, so why isn't it just a melee?
Again, to recap the ability split:
Hunters: 3,3,4,3
Warlocks: 2,3*,2,3
Titans: 2,2,2,3*
(Asterisks for pain points i talked about above)
No, for the record this isn't just a Solar problem. Void does this too but to a MUCH MUCH lesser extent (Warlocks and Hunters getting a whopping 1 melee, 3 super variants on Hunter/Warlock compared to 2 on Titan).
OCD aside, it's absurdly frustrating. I cannot fathom how you can reasonably decide to have a class have nearly double the customization in this regard compared to the other two. Solar 3.0 really makes me feel like you guys all heavily favor Hunters.
Datto brought up and said in Arc 3.0 he wouldn't be surprised if we saw you guys make an extra super for arc hunters and I'm just sitting here contemplating, because I think that would be wise, but on the other end of the spectrum it's gonna really piss me off if you guys go the extra mile to add even more to the Hunter kit with an all new super while Titans and Warlocks get pushed aside?
I genuinely don't understand how in light 1.0, 2.0, and stasis you guys nailed it from this perspective. Each class had the same amount of abilities to choose from. Why in the hell are we abandoning equal amounts of abilities for every class now?
[b]TLDR, Hunters have nearly double the abilities/class ability customization in solar 3.0 than the other two classes. This isn't about balance or what's good, it's about giving every class the same amount of tools to play with.[/b]
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2 RepliesAs a Titan main, I look at it as quality over Quantity. Hunter supers are for the most part PvP centered and do not do much in PvE. Hunters really do not do much in raids other than ad control and rez players when they go invisible. Hunters are given more because they need it. Golden gun and blade barrage are next to useless in a raid.
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I completely agree. I’m a Gunslinger, have been since the series started, and obviously I’m happy that my knives and 3-shooter are at the best they ever been since D1. But I also like playing on my Titan and Warlock, so I see how big the differences are. Why do we have 4 knives (should be 3 since the new knife seems useless to me) but Warlocks and Titans only have 2 melees? Doesn’t have to be special, give back the basic melee that bur- scorches when used, or a hammer I can stab into the ground that creates a huge sunspot, or something. Make a well that scorched the area when it’s used, a barricade that is bent, so it covers two sides, but less overall coverage or something. Same goes with void and soon to be arc. How are there many knife variants, but 1 smoke bomb type? Child of the old gods is an aspect, so why isn’t there an actual second melee for voidlocks?
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Edited by SirEman80: 7/1/2022 11:33:05 PMReading these comments just reinforces the observation that the majority of players that main Hunter lack self awareness.
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The same could be said back in forsaken when hunters got 2 new supers vs titan and warlocks 3. Seriously though, I think with solar hunter having so many melees is because of how different each of the pre 3.0 trees melees are. And just imagine how disappointing in would be for hunters to only have one melee like on void (it makes sense why but still) or titans only had shoulder charge for both void and solar, no cool shield throw or mini hammer for the sake of keeping the amount of abilities each class gets the same. That's just the melees but it's the same for all abilities.
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2 RepliesWait til he finds out solar hunters can equip 5 fragments
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1 ReplyWho cares if hunters have 4 knives and 3 supers and however many dodges. Titans are superior. Also, nerf warlocks.
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13 RepliesYet another class pretending hunter's are loved by Bungie, has unfair favouritism and is better equipped. Do you guys ever get tired of spitting crap? I bet you cannot show me 1 time an arc hunter had a viable super in high end PvE content? The other 2 classes have viable supers on every subclass but not hunter and now you're complaining because Bungie could "possibly" make an arc hunter viable in high end PvE? Really?
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1 ReplyHot take, the new titan aspect should have been just a new melee. They should have gotten a different one, one that maybe gives temperd metal and allows you to apply melting point again.
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1 ReplyLook at Void 3.0, Titans have 2 melees, Hunters have 1. I suspect Arc 3.0 will have more options for Warlocks.
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27 RepliesThis makes you think Bungie favours hunters??? Have u never played pvp!! Hunters have so many advantages there!
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23 RepliesEdited by Doctor_Roidberg: 6/30/2022 9:10:50 PMYou can’t be mad about Hunters getting a new super when Warlocks and Titans got a brand new one in Forsaken. You’d be mad if we got a new one? [i]How do you think we’ve felt since Forsaken when Warlocks got the Kamehameha and Titans got to turn themselves into a nuke, while all we got was the same damn stick [b]BUT NOW IT SPINS, OOOOH.[/b][/i]
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7 RepliesShatterdive is by itself. So why shouldn't icarus dash be? Yah wanna give it phoenix dive as well? No.
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16 RepliesBungie always favors Hunters. It's the easy-mode crutch class and always will be.
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Not surprised that hunters have the most. Streamers and youtubers all use hunters and bungie wants to keep them happy.
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9 RepliesI'm ready sick of the fact that once the seasonal featured subclass mods go away, it neuters the other subclasses. I am a voidwalker. I want to run void. But it's a disservice and a waste to not run solar because it's so OP right now. Next season, I'll have to trash my build AGAIN and be married to arc. Plz stop.
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7 RepliesTitans literally have shield that gives them an overshield which essentially makes them unkillable. Lorelly Splendor also ring a bell? Titans have the strongest solar 3.0 build out of all the classes, and if you wanna whine and say differently you're just a butt-hurt warlock main that got killed by some jumpy hunter. This whole "Bungie favors a certain class" bs is incredibly annoying. all classes are good in their own way.
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I feel the same way about stasis. Giving titans a dumb lance that is useless in pvp and pve but hunters and warlocks have ability aspects. They then turn the titan aspect into a dumb barricade exotic. No! Take this dumb lance and and this dumb exotic back and give me my barricade that give me my stasis freeze from my ability like the other 2 classes have
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6 RepliesDon’t u think it’ll be a bit unfair if hunters only had 1 arc super? Either blade dancer is coming back or they’re making a brand new super for us. It’s only fair that we have 2.
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2 RepliesI would agree. One melee for warlocks on void is quite funny but also frustrating 😂
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tell me you are bad at the game without telling me you are bad at the game
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2 RepliesLove how it’s always a warlock crying about how they should be more op then every other class quit ruining the game or go find a new game to play
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9 RepliesBro mini titan hammer is better than all the hunter abilities combined what are you complaining about
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When you count golden gun and tether as entirely different variants like they're Dawnblade and Well I think you're inflating your point with air, so to speak. Maybe banner shield should've been a different variation of super for titan with a different duration and cooldown, and molten hammers should've been a different cooldown from regular hammers and treated as separate supers... It can honestly be considered as a plus that sentinel shield has just gained more value at base than having a variant, but maybe that's just me.
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4 RepliesIn regards to PvP , it’s quite simple . Titans can hide behind shields while getting a buff with Splendor. Warlocks can stand in a rift or Well, making them hard to kill at distance . Hunters can dodge and maneuver . I can’t even tell you how many times a Titan has hid behind his shield and then quickly mowed teammates down with a solar weapon or warlocks have used their rift to save themselves when they should have been dead. I find the survivability rate in the other two classes to be far greater than my glass cannon Hunter . Yes, I play all classes but I do predominately use my hunter for PVP .
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13 RepliesI agree but the new hunter dodge takes so long to charge up with T10 mobility that it’s not worth it. Especially when you can make yourself radiant by just hitting someone with a melee. And there is only 3 supers for solar.
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9 RepliesDon't worry, once we get to arc 3.0 most hunter and titans abilities will collapse into 1 or 2. Unless they give hunters a new arc super, all 3 versions of arc staff can combine into 1. My hope is they will give arc strider a ranged super were you throw your staff like a javelin and it deals high burst damage with a chain lighting dot effect. Especially since arc strider is the only sub class with no ranged version of its super which makes it worthless in most endgame content.
