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5/3/2022 3:33:53 AM
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Cheating or not, people who get banned or not for cheating shouldn't be getting any harassment of any sort. End of the day it's a game and it's not worth being toxic and petty to someone who cheats..
Been banned is punishment enough.
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Surely saying "***** is a cheater" does not qualify as harassment. It's simply trying to bring attention to Bungie's laughably inadequate report system and how many people can still cheat and get away with it. Now, if I said "***** is a cheater and deserves (negative real life consequences)" or personally insulted them, then yeah, that would be harassment. But the fact that simply naming a cheater is a bannable offense on this site is ridiculous.
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Think about it a little, you name a cheater out loud you are just gonna cause those who like to send death threats and racists and discriminate threats towards that player. I remember this one story a while back that some kid cheated in D2 and was interviewed by a YouTube player. This boy was only just a minor and people found where he lived and caused real world damage to his home and family. Not disagreeing that cheating is stupid and annoying and toxic but that's in game not in real life. Naming anyone anywhere as a cheater opens the potential Real world damages. But then you've also gotta think about what if someone named you a cheater in these fourms or what if they named a really good friend of yours who is cracked at the game as a cheater but you guys know you aren't a cheater and was just falsely accused. How would you feel after been giving such an accusation? Not to mention what some people would say or even the lengths they'd go to cause harm. I can tell you a story of someone calling me a cheater and then started ddossing me weekly because he lost a simple game to me.
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By that logic people could start harassing someone for anything, you can't say that simply because someone is called out for cheating that it is now my fault if people get angry at them and take it too far. I am responsible for my own actions, not for every nutjob on the internet. This is like saying that if a lawyer prosecutes a criminal and then the criminal gets killed in prison that it is the lawyers fault.
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Do you think it was that youtubers intention for that boy he interviewed. "no it wasn't, he just simply wanted to know why he cheated and what he was getting out of it" but because that YouTube player shared the name (just his console name) of that boy in his video it caused some serious harm to the boy and his family.
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Not the same thing dude, you clearly don't understand if you outright name someone you are giving access to someone else to cause grief and harassment. Even if you aren't giving the person you named grief or harassment. There is 1000s of stories of cheaters been named or even interviewed and then had so much irl splash back. Your intention might not be as such as I named but you yourself can't control how others are gonna react to the info you openly throw out. This is the reason name and shaming is a bannable offence, doesn't matter how good at heart you are and how much you want the said cheaters banned to make the game better for you and many others. Throwing names out in the open will cause so much grief and harm to a player. Especially if they don't cheat.
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You cannot blame me for the actions of others. To say that naming them opens them up to real world consequences would invalidate any kind of criticism. "Oh, you don't like the coach of your sports team? Well too bad. You cant say that because someone sent them a death threat."
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You naming them as a cheater is what causes them to be harassed and have threats. How do you not understand that? 🤔 Besides you yourself cannot know if they are a cheater or not unless you see them using heavy every round or self res over and over or simply seeing them move through walls. So if you named a person a cheater who actually isn't a cheater then that person gets harassment that's on you because you named him a cheater out loud. You essentially put a target on a person when you name them.
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Please read my words carefully: I understand your point: That naming them can lead to real life consequences and harassment. However, if all it took to make naming someone illegal was for it to possibly lead to harassment, then no criticism could ever be allowed. If I say I dislike the coach of my favorite team, he can get harassed because I said that. Does that mean I shouldn't be allowed to publicly voice any of my opinions? No, I can't be held responsible for the 1% of the time that a nutjob reads what I say and decides to go overboard on somebody else.
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Read what I'm saying "name and shaming a person or cheater isn't allowed". I have you the reason as to why its not allowed, yet you keep comparing real life stuff with In game stuff which can not be compared. Also sending me a pm doesn't do anything, yes that guy could have been but I bet you he has some network issues or abusing network to allow what he did with a messenger. Naming anyone publicly on these fourms isn't allowed because of a multitude of reasons and I gave an example. These aren't my rules but I perfectly understand them and understand why we aren't allowed to name and shame a person. So saying you should be allowed to name them out loud just ain't it and in fact I also belive naming a player because they are cheating is a toxic trait for a person. (even if they are actually are cheating or not). We have in game report systems and you even can go onto the bungie website to share that clip you sent to me and report it as cheating. I don't come onto these fourms sharing all the hate mail I get or sharing clips of people I believe are sus. What I do instead is report them. So do yourself a favour get out of that toxic frame of mind and grow up instead of wanting to share names so other people who are far more toxic can cause real harm.
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I understand why it's not allowed. The post is arguing that it should be because the positives outweigh the negatives. The report system clearly does nothing, so an alternative is to publicize the fact that this person is cheating. Maybe then someone who can do something about it will ban them. How am I being toxic for reporting a cheater? You seem to misunderstand the whole reason for naming them. It is not to harass them, it is so that it brings attention to the problem and maybe someday the report system will actually be useful.
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After fully reading the rest of your comment, reporting does work. I've seen quite a few cheaters come onto these fourms complaining about being banned. Don't spin what I said btw, your being toxic by name and shaming a player or by wanting to do such. Which in return that player has a target in their back and people will harass them or even go to the lengths of irl harassment or worse.
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I stopped reading when you said positive outweighs the negative... That is most certainly wrong, the negative (at worst irl harm and threats and harassment) the positive being less cheaters than rn (which btw isn't as prominent as it use to be and atm you probably see a cheater once every few months). The negative can have sever impacts irl while positive is just an in game thing. Meaning you are weighing a game over irl by saying the statement you've just said. Sorry but you are clearly wrong right there.
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By positive outweighing negative I mean that the chance of them facing any real world consequences are so minuscule that it is almost negligible. In my opinion, cheaters getting banned consistently is worth the 0.1% of them that do get harassed.
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No one should be harassed irl and if you know what feels like to be harassed irl you wouldn't want that on anyone else even if its a cheater in game.
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Oh, I didn't know that you knew me personally and the details of my life. I'm trying to be respectful but you're really not making it easy with all the insults and sideways attacks. Ok, well how about this: Your anecdotal evidence is not really relevant, one single person having real life consequences is so far away from the norm that it is not worth mentioning. If a cheater can't handle being called names on a video game forum, I honestly dont care if it hurts their feelings. It's a game, and everyone, not just cheaters, gets trash talked in a video game. If you cant handle it, then probably stay off the internet. I would HAPPILY trade a consistent banning of cheaters if it means that a couple cheaters have to have their feelings hurt. You're talking like me naming a cheater is putting them on a hit list and people are going to show up at their house and beat them up. Sorry, but that is not going to happen. Just because one guy who went a a youtube channel and admitted to cheating was bullied does not mean the same thing will happen if I call someone out on a forum. Who is honestly going be like "oh wow this guy says so-and-so is cheating, I gotta go torment him"? Listen to your own arguments and stop trying to say that an extreme outlier is the norm.
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Never stated I knew irl just stated no one would want others to be harassed especially if those people knew what it was like. So instead of continuing the pointless and actual annoying talk with you especially after you saying I'm attacking you with sideways talk and whatever I'm just gonna leave it here.
