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12/21/2021 1:06:27 AM
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Please bring SBMM back. I can't do a thing in crucible.
I'm just a mid to end game warlock (started this season) and I've been trying to do some crucible but whenever I play I inevitably and eventually resort to sneaking around and capturing points just to do anything at all. All the handcannon, fusion rifle, shotgun and build meta spam just makes it impossible to play (and have any fun).
I read that SBMM(Skill Based Match Making) used to be a thing until bungie replaced it with CBMM(Connection(?) Based Match Making). This strongly discourages new and casual players alike from playing crucible, leaving the sweaty meta spam and high skill players to dominate the crucible.
I know I'm not the first to say this, nor will I be the last. I'm just trying to have a fun casual experience without playing respawning-simulator. I've never made a forum post before and I hope that shows you how desperate I am.
(P.S. Feel free to comment advice for people like me but don't [i][b]just[/b][/i] say "git gud": it's literally meaningless and you might as well tell someone with asthma to just breath better).
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I think people break up into two big buckets, and let me use this sports metaphor: SBMM supporters: I'll start in Little League, move up to High School, then College, and maybe one day go Pro. It will be a lot of work, but at each stage I will get better by playing against people similar to my skill level. My goal is to have closed games and test my growth and skill as I progress. CBMM supporter: I got a lot of talent, but close games are too much work and I'm sick of going to practice. I would rather hang out at the park every day and slam dunk on little kids and old men. I am oversimplifying, and does not take into account the real problems people have with connections and long wait times, but I think this is directionally accurate. Many of the CBMM guys want to flex by stomping on lower-skill players. Even I can find game or two here and there (very rarely) where people are worse than me and its fun, I admit it. But I would rather have every game go to 140-150 and every player end up with a KD around 1.0
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8 RepliesEdited by illz: 12/21/2021 11:52:26 AMHey! The franchise has been around for 6/7 years now. I think its a little unfair to come to the forums during your [b]first[/b] season and demand sbmm to be brought back. SBMM presents massive issues in a casual playlist and really isnt a substitute to spending time learning the fundamentals of the game vs a plethora of skill levels. Remember that there are more average players than good, and just as few lesser skilled as there are extremely skilled. However, cbmm is non existent right now as far as i'm aware and thats with 50,000 pvp kills this season alone. As of now and utterly unannounced, we have lobby balancing. I wont go into it but it tries (and fails) to balance teams. Your best bet is to search youtube for crucible tips. It took me well over a year of playing to become average and well over that to become above average. Like anything, it takes dedication and practice to become good and make the most of your character in pvp. Its not like pve where you can destroy anything in your sight. These are real players, smarter than ai. Have fun crafting builds and learning all the game has to offer before trying to change how pvp matchmaking works is my advice. It will take a while to become good in pvp, not only do you need general game sense, map awareness etc but also a knowledge of all cooldowns, abilities etc. Destiny doesnt work like other fps games, it uses a peer 2 peer + server set up so gameplay is latent with bad tick rate. Sbmm amplifies this. Have fun and I promise you that no good player got better without dying a million times and being punished for bad mistakes. Learn and you will become great! The worse a player is, the faster they can become better. There are so many free instant to learn bits you can watch right now on youtube that will immediately make you better. Once you have the fundamentals the improvement will snowball in your favour so long as you are consistent. You dont want sbmm if you want a casual experience.
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As an veteran player (been here since beta D1), I agree with you on the matchmaking. It could definitely use some love! However, most of these problems can be worked around by learning the game and improving yourself. Other friendly guardians have offered some great tips to you. Also, I don't think it is fair to say what is broken in PvP or the rest of the game when you do not have nearly the experience or time played to accurately judge it. I'm willing to play with you and help you learn the game and even help you with your 1v1 gunfights. Shoot a friend request if you're interested.
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4 RepliesEdited by michael: 12/22/2021 2:45:17 AMJust wondering, how do you think the people who are good got good? When I started playing d2 on PC it was my first ever PC game. I was playing on a 60hz DVI monitor with an office mousepad, a membrane keyboard and a dell mouse on 2000 dpi. My KD in my first season was barely positive. Did I complain about matchmaking? No. Instead, I played in the competitive playlist (this was in forsaken when the competitive playlist was like a $2000 tournament instead of now when it's more relaxed than a rumble game) until I got better. I got stomped a lot, but I paid attention to why I was losing (which is hard when every game is 4 one eyed masks) and it made me get a lot better very fast. While I was playing destiny, and slowly upgrading my hardware to get on a fair playing field, I got into counterstrike and if you think destiny is punishing for new players you have no idea. But I wanted to get better and I knew it would work so I suffered through. As time went on and I kept playing I got better at d2 until I was in the top 1%, and then I started playing 3v3 scrims against people who were as good or better than me. In my first game ever I dropped 6 kills in a 50 kill game and I had a tournament player on my team tell me to stick to quickplay and never bother again. I kept playing anyway, until I was the one carrying in the scrim games which took probably 6 months of playing them every day. Ever since the public scrims scene died down I have only played rumble, where I have no teammates and rely on only myself for kills which I think is a great environment for individual improvement. While I still look for ways to improve my gameplay, I feel like I have been at my peak for a little under a year now. That means it took me two years of playing a LOT to go from being a below average player who was held back by hardware and being on an input that I had never used, to being out of ways to improve. Im not trying to jerk myself off Im just saying getting good at a video game isnt going to happen in your first few months playing, and you can't expect the game to change for you. You have to put the work in and lose until you can win, just like everyone else did before you. Itll happen faster than you think but only if you work at it.
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I feel it’s less about skill based matchmaking and more about having a balanced team. When loading up team experience should be spread out not have all the best players on one team.
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3 Replies100% agreed. Every lobby i join has some 5.6kd no lifer in there ruining the game for everyone else. Plus these new ability changes are a$$. It puts so much weight on meta weapons. If you don't have them you can't even play. Last week I had a person message me to leave his team because I wasn't using foerunner. 9 minute super while other classes are less than half of that. Dumb move bungo. The whole crucible experience is adumpster fire.
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4 RepliesI feel your pain,crucible is in a terrible state at the moment (in my opinion)
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Play elim and comp. They both have SBMM. 6v6 is literally terrible in destiny and is just a cluster -blam!- anyway so why even play it? And if you’re looking to improve at the game just play those playlists. Even rumble will help train skills in awareness, movement and gunplay.
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1 ReplyNah, I'm not trying to sweat every game of quickplay. You would need to mostly use meta weapons because the other team won't give you a chance to use other weapons because their TTK is less. I want to use other weapons instead of meta weapons. Team balancing is a problem for sure. But SBMM, nah keep that out of 6v6.
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1 ReplyIn quick play if you see a 3-6 stack just back out. Or be like kd sweats. They get killed once they dashboard lol. (Funniest as heck)
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Edited by Bore: 12/22/2021 7:59:56 PM[quote]I'm just a mid to end game warlock (started this season) and I've been trying to do some crucible but whenever I play I inevitably and eventually resort to sneaking around and capturing points just to do anything at all. All the handcannon, fusion rifle, shotgun and build meta spam just makes it impossible to play (and have any fun). I read that SBMM(Skill Based Match Making) used to be a thing until bungie replaced it with CBMM(Connection(?) Based Match Making). This strongly discourages new and casual players alike from playing crucible, leaving the sweaty meta spam and high skill players to dominate the crucible. I know I'm not the first to say this, nor will I be the last. I'm just trying to have a fun casual experience without playing respawning-simulator. I've never made a forum post before and I hope that shows you how desperate I am. (P.S. Feel free to comment advice for people like me but don't [i][b]just[/b][/i] say "git gud": it's literally meaningless and you might as well tell someone with asthma to just breath better).[/quote] Comp and elim both have SBMM. [quote]P.S. Feel free to comment advice for people like me but don't [i][b]just[/b][/i] say "git gud": it's literally meaningless and you might as well tell someone with asthma to just breath better). [/quote] It’s more like telling someone who is overweight to lose that weight. It’s something that you can control.
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No. Your deficiency is a personal problem. Work to address it- the broader community shouldn’t suffer for your shortcomings
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1 ReplyWow, you're not getting any helpful answers here at all. The SBMM vs CBMM war has been ongoing in these parts for quite some time, Bungie does whatever the -blam!- Bungo wants to, and it's usually not to the benefit of the casual player. That holds true especially for PvP, it's a mess and I can't fault anyone who walks away from it. I'm saying this as someone with both Unbroken and Flawless Seal, I live in PvP, but the state of it right now is NOT noob-friendly. Everyone arguing about CBMM being the best are missing the point entirely, they fail to understand that if people get curbstomped 24/7 they simply just won't play PvP at all. With that out of the way, I highly recommend playing Survival: Freelance. It's one of the few playlists in the game that actually does have SBMM. It's not as chaotic as Quick Play, but it's a good playlist to learn the fundamentals of Destiny 2 PvP in. If you see someone doing well on your team (or the enemy), it's worth inspecting them so you learn what stat-splits, mods and guns are the most useful. This is going to sound weird, but try not to care about the winning, just try to have fun with the game :)
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Edited by A_mo: 12/21/2021 3:23:14 PMThe best advice I can give is don't believe anything anyone tells you about SBMM. Forcing everyone to play in the same kind of playlist when the playlist doesn't match their playstyle is the problem. There will be problems that will not get fixed as long as people consider it success to make someone else play the way they don't want to. There needs to be separate modes for separate playstyles. But there can't be because SBMM requires a higher player population to work. So someone gets to get screwed and everyone is supposed to reimagine that as the way the game is supposed to work. SBMM is not how you make the Ultimate PvP (thunder/lightning). It turns PvP into a twitter exercise where everyone is talking about people they don't like and no one knows what they're talking about.
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1 ReplyEdited by JaggedMetalKrustyO: 12/21/2021 6:14:20 PMSBMM helps low-skill players (like me) by preventing us from getting stomped every game, but at the expense of the more skilled players, who end up with poor connections and long wait times. So why doesn't Bungie just add a separate QP node with SBMM instead of CBMM? My guess is that the CBMM playlist would be pretty miserable as all of the cannon-fodder goes to the SBMM playlist.
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shut up sbmm is the worst thing because if you get better you get -blam!- on and the top players have to sweat and wait every single match also sbmm manipulation is so easy that I could go on a alt kill myself about a thousand times and then run people in everything
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Edited by Fateless148: 12/22/2021 8:52:17 AMBest i can say, is 1- cruicible isn't for everybody. If all else fails with or without sbmm, then im sorry you wasted your time. 2- sbmm only caters to the extremely casual part of destiny 2. Im not saying this with any disrespect intended. That is just reality, and not all, or the majority of destinies "Cruicible population" leans to one mindset being the majority for long. Long story short on 2, i get that it sucks, but cruicible has bigger priorities, and honestly too much priorities. It's not right that bungie has to take turns with it's community to appease everyone. 3- currently their is no known way to provide equally for those who need sbmm, and those who don't. Sbmm is just as much not for everybody, as cruicible itself, meaning THE WHOLE DESTINY POPULATION DOESN'T NEED SBMM. Only a portion. Im no developer when i say this, but i say this because "invested" players like myself have to be extremely careful about how we word our thoughts, or get blasted verbally by simply expressing how we feel. I don't speak for others when i say any of this, but i don't care what view anybody has about destiny, as long as you don't try to silence or punish others for how they feel. Doesn't matter who's right or wrong to me either, just talk like your human. Sorry for the side rant. You don't care for destiny if you don't have a love hate relationship with bungie, and the community. If you ask me, the average casual player has a career k/d/a of no better than .7 I wish those players could be the only ones who experience sbmm, IF we got back sbmm. Sbmm can't help properly, if it hurts at the same time, Because it's not for everybody, and bungie cares about everybody. Sometimes more than they should. I just wish they would "consistently" polish their diamond's, before saying "screw it were done here". Thats just how i feel. Others could feel exactly as i do, completely different, or in between. Don't let my views alone about destiny, change yours, or discourage you since im not you. All i could ask anyone involved in destiny, is to let bungie choose who to support, and don't force their hand. If you ask me, thats how we got d2 year 1, sunsetting, sbmm, and the content vault. I would've been okay with all of that " if it didn't feel like bungie had no choice". They did regardless, but it rarely ever fealt like it.
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Just breath better
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The issue that for some modes it is, but I get thrown against people will flawless seal that is gilded
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Are u sure that now cbmm working? With players from all over the world in the same lobby?
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Are u sure that now cbmm working? With players from all over the world in the same lobby?
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My question is... do you actually think sbmm works?
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4 RepliesEdited by Haters: 12/21/2021 4:18:18 PMAnother case of Mad Cause Bad.
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If your struggling now, sbmm will just make it worse. Remember cbmm goes both ways, you can both get better players or worse players than your self. Sbmm just makes it so that every match is a sweat match. I'd also like to point out, that sbmm matches you base off your best average games. Meaning if your having an off day, or decide not to run meta weapons, you'll 100% get stomped every match. Cbmm atleast gives you a chance if you choose not to run meta or have a bad day.
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1 ReplyI recommend not caring. No, seriously, it gets 10x easier once you stop giving a crap about winning or losing.
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7 Repliesyou can go looking for my game stats history and how my kd gadually getting higher season after season that is the only way bro practice
