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12/19/2021 12:59:26 AM
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Skill Based Match Making
I’m tired of getting rolled over and over again in pvp. I do not believe that sbmm should be implemented in trials or IB, but in casual 6v6, I think it should be. As a casual player, I find it irritating that in the 8 hrs a week I play the game, when I hop into pvp, I can’t get any better because I’m constantly either getting aped or spawn killed by players b-hopping around the map like this is a strike and we are the dregs. In order to make the game more enjoyable for players like myself, skill based match making to separate those who play this game for a living and those who play this game because we like seeing our feet when we look down.
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Absolutely not, we had it at some point and we all hated it. 6v6 quickplay has no reason to have sbmm, making it a sweatfest is never the answer. Go play comp it you're so worried about balance and notice your performance will be roughly the same, the issue is being bad won't magically change with sbmm lol
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4 Replieslol its lobby based match making. its not fun for the good players either. the good players should have to hyper carry cause half my team gooses or breadsticks every game. It should be completely random. stop being entitled to win games. if you're bad you should lose most of your games, grow up or get good.
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3 RepliesEdited by kime: 12/20/2021 5:21:58 AMI agree, cbmm ruins the crucible for recreational players. This seems to be a category of players Bungie does not give a s**t about. And it is not only about playing against legit much more skilled players but also cheaters that do not miss a shot, which this game is infected with
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Sbmm was used for a while back in this games history. Ppl -blam!- about the exact same things you are complaining about and what did they do ? They made it CBMM and now ppl are still -blam!- about sweaty lobbies and players doing the SAME strats using the same weapons and classes. Guess what ppl want back now ?
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After looking and replying to some people, I thought about adding my own opinion, I do dislike cbmm for a lot of reasons, I don’t feel like I deserve wins, losses any of it, since I’m with a team which would heavily stomp the other team or the other way round When it was sbmm I felt like every defeat showed me I had places to improve and it showed me I was with ever change I did, but now I don’t know, I can’t say I’m improving or with the people I play with And when it came to the streamers, the ones who used the meta at the time, grouped up in full fireteams, I don’t feel sorry for them, they rushed to prove they were the best with high kds and got burned at the time I was at 1.2 I think it’s been a while, now I can’t say a 2.0 is good since most of it was stomps So, my opinion is, it punishes the lesser players cause they can’t try anything and see if they like it, cause if they did good once then got stomped then stomped, how can you tell if your good with it?
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At weekends, top pvp players are in trials.
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This is a never-ending argument that will always divide the player base, SBMM vs CBMM. The PVP sweats will always want CBMM, the less skilled of us (of which I am one) seem to fall into the SBMM side of things. Having said that, its all really a moot point because crucible is, and has not been for some time, in any sort of condition to provide a fun experience, note I said fun, not competitive or fair. I don’t like when hyper defensive PVPer’s come onto these threads an call other players inept or incompetent, as has happened on this thread on a few occasions, it is insulting and elitist at best, this game is unbalanced, terribly unbalanced, too many 1 hit kill weapons, maps are too small, there are too many players on said maps, which were originally designed for 4v4 with double primary usage. Since then, TTK has been shaved down over and over again to the point where at best you have just over .5 of a second to react, player speed has been increased to the point where on almost every control map you can reach the opponents spawn before they capture it at the start of a match, in any objective game mode this is terrible game design. One thing to note for all the CBMM players though is that, while you are entitled to want the game to allow you to blast away, have fun because, as time goes by, the overall pool of PVP players will and is decreasing, it will eventually get to the point where there won’t be any casual players left for you to stomp on and CBMM or SBMM won’t matter
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4 Replies[quote]As a casual player, I find it irritating that in the 8 hrs a week I play the game, when I hop into pvp, I can’t get any better because I’m constantly either getting aped or spawn killed by players b-hopping around the map like this is a strike and we are the dregs. [/quote] Which is why Crucible is badly underperforming right now compared to the PVE side of the game...and its why SBMM is becoming industry standard. CBMM just results in the better players slowly destroying the game due to "skill creep' (better players chase weaker players out of the game to the point where the game can't sustain itself. The environment becomes hostile to new players and lesser-skilled players, so that the game can't replace its losses.)
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1 ReplyAs long as this game lives in the stone ages and uses P2P servers it needs to be CBMM. SBMM will destroy the game because then US players are matching against South America, EU, and Asia.....yea sounds like lots of fun having more than normal lag.
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6 RepliesQuickplay should never be sbmm…it should be the one place you can go to have fun. IB or Trials are supposed to be the end game sweaty pvp modes
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1 ReplyI am sick of having sbmm in Quickplay, which is active to a certain point. As a high elo ranked player for me it is totall annoying that my teammates are all afk or don’t shoot, but my enemies are at my ranking. I can never play an easy round or test a new gun, cause I either have to sweat a lot, or will 100% lose the match. There is not a single match where my teammates play well, I am forced to carry via matchmaking.
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Nothing is going to fix the antiquated P2P system bungie has in place, it will always be a shite show. You can polish a turd all you want, but in the end it's still a turd.
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5 RepliesLet’s say it slowly, team balancing is the thing messing up quickplay rn It’s clearly not doing what they wanted it to
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Survival
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3 RepliesWe just need a -blam!- choice. Keep Control 6v6 as CBMM, and give us some alternative Freelance playlist with SBMM that’s around 24/7. Facing players of a similar skill level, without having to worry about -blam!- stacks. Everyone’s happy.
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9 RepliesLmao the replies they all cry for sbmm but then refuse to play the sbmm game modes...
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Edited by JazzyPaladin477: 12/20/2021 5:36:40 PMYup. Give us a sbmm or ranked playlist in addition to cbmm. Let players choose.
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6 RepliesThe funny is that when streamers meet other streamers, is a sweathy game. But when they meet 3 people of 0.5 or below, its a balanced game, ok👀
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18 RepliesSBMM needs to be reintroduced solely because the elites , sweats and those who like to blatantly lie about CBMM are only doing so because they like to pubstomp in groups to purposely boost their KD stats in quickplay .. They have lied to us about CBMM for years now claiming it would improve the experience but as we have seen even with next gen consoles , faster internet services etc.. we have some of the worst connections ever.. Those who claim CBMM is the answer have zero network or IT experience and only want to protect and keep their dirty little stomping ways they don’t want skill because they might actually have to play ..
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1 ReplyStreamers complained and Bungie caved; Bungie will literally do anything for them and nothing for the rest of us.
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Is there a way to have both, then we can let the community decide which is better?
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1 ReplySBMM will make it worse for everyone that has thumbs
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You're rolled over because you find yourself on the wrong side of lag. We need CBMM back, not that stupid SBMM crap. Laggers are the worst in PvP, much worse than any actual cheaters. And lag matters way more than any skill ever did.
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3 RepliesWhy are you still complaining about PvP? The group we have at Bungie is not good at all, there is nothing they can do.
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I hate being paired with or against pvp gods. It's the most unenjoyable experience. Prefer how it was when I was paired with people on my own skill level. I will never be good at pvp, but it's become obnoxious to play and it wasn't always so. Used to be able to go into rumble and just goof off and get the pinnacle reward, but that's not possible anymore, as you get killed before you spawn now.
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1 ReplyHow do you think the people that are really good at PVP got to be good? They got really good by playing a lot and working on their skill. Bungie has never had a PVP safe space for lazy, low skill players to casually tickle each other and they never will. The players that are good had to come up thru the same system we have today and that means they got their asses handed to them at some point by better players as they learned. Quickplay only needs a freelance option and better lobby balancing IMO. As a 100% solo player I have bad games due to stacks, unbalanced lobbies and chicken sh*t quitters but overall I do just fine. The system is not perfect but if you put the effort in to get better you can easily hold your own in PVP.
