Honestly, I'd like it if they'd just delete snapshot sights off snipers entirely. It's too much of a staple for snipers, if that's the right word for it.

[b]Shotgun users with barely any Sniper usage:[/b] Snipers are unfair, nerf them so i can close the gap easier and get an advantage over them... [b]Sniper users with barely any Shotgun usage:[/b] Shotgun apes ruin my inability to land headshots, nerf them so i can gain the advantage... [b]Fusion rifle mains: [/b]Yo guys stop you're gunna get Fusions nerfed in the crossfire... [b]Sidearm users: [/b]Special weapon? Never heard of her... [b]SMG mains: [/b]Ratatat-tat... [b]Auto rifle users:[/b] Bring back the Auto meta, the high court demands it... [b]Pulse rifle users:[/b] This game has PvE? [b]Handcannon Mains:[/b] Aiming at groins and getting headshots, TAKES SKILL!!! [b]Scou[/b]... Lol [b]Bow Mains: [/b]💤 [b]Edit, The Negative KD Platinum Players who got offended by this:[/b] THIS GAME DOESNT TAKE SKILL, I deserved my free Flawless this season... [b]Sweaty Gatekeepers: [/b]You dare attempt to infiltrate the realms where we reside, filth? I demand a Trial by Combat.

Yeah snipers are sooo overpowered that they don’t even appear in the Top 5 of most used energy weapons. So overpowered that they chill at a whopping 7% usage rate while shotguns sit at 20+%. I agree that they need a nerf because someone got a lucky hit on you that only happens like once every 10 games. [spoiler]The sniper is your least used weapon. I’m pretty sure u don’t know what you‘re talking about.[/spoiler]

Wall of text incoming. PvP trash can/aspiring sniper, here. I’m by no means the best in PvP, though I enjoy it immensely. I’ve spend the majority of my time in D2 confounded by sniper rifles. I see shots that are clear hits miss their target, I see shots that are clear misses register as headshots. I’ve seen flinch reset the reticle right back to head, and I’ve seen it send the reticle to the moon. Snipers are a weapon type that (outside of head glitching and corner camping) require a relatively disciplined play style and a fair bit of skill. I used to get upset when I got outplayed by snipers. Then they nerfed the -blam!- out of the target acquisition and flinch, and mostly disappeared from PvP. Since then, I’ve taken to putting in some practice with snipers. Outside of camping and head glitching, they require a fair bit of skill and discipline to use effectively. There’s so much more to sniping than just lining up a shot and pressing a button. Anticipating enemy movement, knowing when to disengage and retreat, using cover effectively etc are all a part of effectively sniping. Sniping is fun and rewarding, and a good sniper can really make a team in comp/trials. I accept that when I die to a sniper, it’s because either a) I made a mistake, b) lucky shot, or most likely c) my opponent is simply a better shot than I. If you’re ADS and see the crimson glare of deaths glowing eye and choose to dig in and lay shots instead of reposition and re-engage, that’s on you. Ain’t no nerf gonna fix that. The real issues with PvP (imo) lie with lobby balancing, matchmaking, connection issues and the like. The more the community cries nerf this nerf that, the less focus there’s gonna be on fixing the real problems that plague Destiny PvP. You can argue and complain to your hearts content, but there’s always going to be some weapon or ability or play style that you’re weak to. Sometimes, even when playing to your strengths, you still get outplayed. It’s the nature of a game like this. Again. Total trash can here. Take what I say with a grain of salt.

If Bungie nerfed Snipers any more, they would be unusable to casual PvP players. They are borderline unusable to me already!

It’s because like 90% of Weaponry in this game They’re hitscan & the invisible line of damage and imaginary ballistic shell/round coupled with aim assist & tracks into invisible damage boxes the size of Frank Sidebottom’s head https://images.app.goo.gl/VgEKRNRgqQJvyyUd7 The only weapons that aren’t hitscan are Rocket Launchers, GL’s & the Jotünn, Fighting Lion & Skyburners Oath Bows are hitscan at full draw. They are only ballistic at partial draw. Armour Piercing rounds should be absolute musts for weapons - but due to lag/peer to peer sometimes they don’t flinch at all —— And I’m gonna guess that Trials is still full of Stag wearing Warlocks positioned on corners & Titans with Citans, using shields/grenades to deny routes/lanes & linear/sniper/Crimsons ??

Like it or not, snipers have a high skill ceiling, and those at the top will punish you for engaging.

Ferus, I'm gonna just give it to you straight. You're kinda dog -blam!- at this game. You absolutely crutch fusion and shotties. I bet you didn't complain last week when the map was cauldron. Trials report has you using main ingredient as your primary on widow's court, yet you state in your post that you want primary battles? Just adapt and learn to use a ranged weapon as your primary instead of that God rolled main ingredient and you may find more success.

Descope on hit with sniper would fix that.

A sniper shouldn't be able to take sustained damage, especially crits, and just stand there still scoped and headshot somebody. Crit damage should knock you out of your scope briefly..

Part of the issue is lag. From your perspective, you hit the other guy first and then he sniped you. From the other guy's perspective, he sniped you first (so he experienced no flinch) Also, if you're on PC, mouse and keyboard suffers far less flinch than controller, and it's far easier to readjust after being shot... And quickscoping is entirely unaffected by flinch as far as I can tell.

Trust me, it ain't the snipers that is the issue. It is a combination of Controller aim assist, lag (lul servers), and how they coded their flinch... Hit him once while they aim at the body and they get a headshot because the "flinch" puts it on the head. Hit him twice? First it goes away from the body and go on top of the head... First they need to change how flinch works in this game, because it rewards you for being flinched once or twice. Second: Aim assist on controller for snipers needs a tone down. I do not care what anyone has for an excuse, controller sniping is WAY better than MnK sniping by a mile. So much so it is almost cheating. Third... pffff, as if they are going to invest in actual servers. Not gonna happen.

Should make sniper flinch like tether whiplash imo lolol.

The reason “pre-fire flinch” can’t be fixed is very simple When they walk around the corner they’ll always see you first due to peekers advantage Remember it is pear to pear connection. Sniper don’t take “skill” when you have 2 Targeting Mods, adept targeting on the gun and high aim assist/bullet magnetism

In my experience, two scenarios exist regardless of which side of the sniper you're on: either you land a shot through flinch (head or body) or you miss and I have been on both sides (haven't sniped in pvp in a long time though). I have engaged a sniper at long range with a pulse, scout, auto, etc and won, but I've also lost to a single headshot under the same conditions, sometimes against the same guy. I have been the sniper and killed someone through flinch and likewise have been killed trying to kill someone through flinch. Now as I said, I haven't used a sniper in pvp in a long time but I have seen how bad the flinch has gotten online despite things like no distractions and unflinching mods and I couldn't imagine how that feels in person and map design doesn't help either with so many of them catering to shorter range specials. To be perfectly honest, if I engaged a sniper with a pulse with high cal and I got the first shot off with all crits and he manages to compensate for the flinch with their thumb or hand (whatever they use) and one shot me, *clap* *clap*, I'll applaud them, not only for hitting that, but also for (in this time of rampart shotguns and a particular fusion that will remain nameless) using something different that actually requires a "bit" more effort than most other specials. So, I recommend not trying to start a witch hunt because you lost a coin toss, because that's what it basically boils down to; you called tails and it landed on heads. (Little bit of fun word play for those of you that agree with me)