What did you expect. Just like you, everyone who played pvp faced the same issues. They dealt with players who use meta weapons and subclasses. So they too start to use the meta weapons. No one goes into pvp to try to go negative. Like everyone, they go in to win or have fun. But when they start losing, they use the same load out as their opponent. Or they come in here and complain… just like you. Were expecting to play against all causal players all the time?

After coupe hundred hours poured in pvp I can confidently say this season they did change something in the matchmaking cause last season pvp was sometimes hard and sometimes chill. This season I’m always on the edge of my seat sweating my -blam!- off to try to win. The formula i have found to get consistently easy matches so I can just sit back, chill and play is: If I win a match with no mercy, I drop to orbit then que again. By doing this I start getting easier matches or more laidback. I call this “reset the win” If I lose with mercy or not mercy, I stay on the que till I get a win then do the win-orbit-win-orbit. If I win by a mercy, I drop to tower or helm for a good 3-5 minutes, I call this “let matchmaking cooldown” If I don’t “let mm cool down”, aka win by mercy the next 3 to 5 matches i will get awfully one sided matches and mostly against me and my team. So can’t apply the lose by mercy method. If I don’t “reset the win”, and half the team stays in Que, game will assemble next game teams in a way you most certainly lose the next one or if not, the third one. Ofc take this with a grain of salt, I might be delusional and I could’ve created a placebo effect on myself.

I have around 32,000 pvp kills this season and approaching 300,000 overall. I love the game and honestly dont think bungie are aware of whats going on, im hoping theyll realise soon and revert the changes. I have left numerous posts, long and in-depth about this topic in the feedback section alas no acknowledgement was heard aside from it resonating with other players such as yourself. Despite bungie claiming matchmaking was left untouched this season, I am here to back up your claims and tell every person reading that matchmaking was changed. Im not sure there are many who have played as much pvp as me this season. I have played enough games and looked through my match history very carefully. The lobby balancing has been dialled up beyond all belief. I will enter a game solo and be stood at the front with a 3.04 and have five 0.3-0.8 besides me every game unless I stack with my clan. The enemy will be all 1.2- 2. My new/ lesser skilled team mates will proceed to get farmed and spawn camped. I will emerge with a 2-3 kda and my team mates with 0.x. Enemy team will all be 1.2-2. It is putting the lowest skill players with 1 highest skill player then throwing average/ above average at us. It sees that as lobby balancing. It doesnt work. If you are above average you have to move mountains every single game. I literally see the same 30-40 names every single day. Every other person I know, who plays a lot of pvp sees the exact same thing. It never in all of its history as a game, has been this bad in terms of matchmaking. Throw into this, the amount of lag due to it not prioritising connection and its use of peer to peer. Its unreal. It needs addressing. I feel so bad for the newer players just being thrown in as a metric to balance lobbys (incorrectly). It feels very contrived for a quickplay setting in that it seemingly forces a 50/50 w/l regardless of whether you have a raw 2.5kd spread over the past 50 matches played. How can one, who has spent 7 years, thousands of dollars and close to 10,000 hours across platforms on the franchise be motivated to play when they purposely put players who go 3kills- 22 deaths on your team. Its so forced, no matter what you do, you cant determine the outcome. I cant prevent the person your algorithm put on my team from running in over and over. I get it, once in a while. But close to every game im getting these outliers put on my team because im an outlier. Just unreal.

It's called win throttling. The algorithm attempts to balance lobbies based on your win streaks and how high your elo is. It's a manufactured lobby "balancing". Its purpose was to give everyone a power fantasy and let even the worst players get some wins. The irony is that when they stack high elo vs high elo with a handful of bronze at the bottom- the winning team isnt the team that had the best strat- it's all about who has the worst blueberries. Try over coming two or three players on your team that go 1 and 22 to maybe 4 and 17.. my buddy and I will often lose if we both only drop 30 kills with 2.5 efficiency. Many times we need close to 40 a piece with a 3.0 or better to pull the win.

heres a copule of my matches https://twitter.com/crimsomreaf5555/status/1454307616461627394 bungo these matches are not fun, even when i need to try hard just to tie the game.

https://imgur.com/gallery/KVZWd1H Enough said.

Best player in lobby and lost the game is a solo lifestyle at this point.

Sometimes I feel like it turns mid-game. I’ll go from hitting every shot to having my fusion unable to hit. Often it feels like the damage output get throttled at the same time. Shots that would normally kill just get tanked. It also goes the other way. Somehow mid-match I become a god who simply cannot miss and with a fusion that kills from distances that make high damage snipers jealous. Very odd feeling when these occur. Seems to be quite often this season, but maybe it is truly just me.

So you want easy matches? Why are you upset that you have to try in pvp against other players?

It must just be you, no one else has mentioned lobby balancing until now. 🤷‍♂️

I’ve been on this Train for the last YEAR. And all I get is donuts saying “sounds like a skill issue” Yup, it’s my fault I can’t fight 5 players by myself because my teammates are shooting at the moon in the daylight… Then you go and look those players up and all they do is 6 stack. It’s comical. Lobby Balancing in this game is ridiculously broken. I’ve literally got hundreds of SS of my team all going negative with only me and one other player going positive. I just refuse to stay in those lobbies anymore. I literally leave a quarter of my games because the score is 10-40 within the first 2 minutes of the match. I’m not good enough to 1v5. I’m barely good enough to carry myself let alone 4 teammates. I’ll just continue to requeue until Bungie fixing this mess

From today’s play sessions alone…. https://twitter.com/bfreaki/status/1453866182507909125?s=21

I71225x You make some valid points and I agree that eververse must be removed from this game but, Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold

I'm hoping that once, or rather if, they iron out trials they will move on to regular crucible. I've been playing Halo lately and most of my games have been pretty laid back. Then again, the core gameplay in both is significantly different. Maybe theyll release that guns only gametype at some point.