It is op because it's a fusion that acts like an auto and a liner fusion rifle that uses primary ammo with no downside. Fighting lion uses primary ammo and is one of the weakest grenade launchers. It isn't bad and still can put in work but it has a downside. Vex can do it all while using primary ammo not to mention the season mods that push it even further into op territory. We have this season for 6 months so yes something needs to be done about vex. Its oppressive in its current form. It needs to be nerfed heavily in pvp or switched to special ammo. Imho having 1 full mag to start is more than fair.

FACTS!!!! im tired of the pvp crybabies never ending whining every single time a weapon is "good" in crucible. I hate to use the "GIT GUD" moniker but Vex is exactly that. its a "GIT GUD" counter weapon. it can be beaten by many weapons in the new sandbox and I have had no issue dueling it with multiple weapons my favorite is trustee with high impact reserves ive never lost a gunfight straight up against a vex that wasn't my own fault. If your running in the open with no map awareness of course you are going to get mopped...The point of good weapons is to encourage you to want that weapon and go earn it not come to forums and twitter to blast Bungie for nerfs like the PVP crybabies love to do......

Mythoclast has an aim assist of 100.

Vex on its own is not the problem. It's when it kills someone and gets a damage buff that it becomes a problem. It's power alone is already fantastic, there's no reason for there to be such a significant increase in damage that no other primary can defeat it. That's my view on it. If anything I'm proud of bungie for the buff, but it needs a tweak.

I find it reallllllly -blam!- curious that the only people defending it, are the ones who have it.

PvP ruins everything fun in this game.

Can we stop acting like optimal TTK tested in a vacuum is the end all be all or PvP balance? It plays a role, but ease of use is way more relevant. Yes, high impact pulses have a faster time to kill than vex. So why is it that you never see high impact pulses in PvP, but see vex so often? Because achieving that optimal TTK with a high impact pulse is not easy. pulses, such as messenger, no time to explain, and vigilance wing handle extremely slowly and are just awkward to use; because of the slow fire rate, any little amount of flinch will quickly bring that ideally very quick TTK up to one of the longest of any archetype in the game. 720 autos are easier to use than a pulse, but are in a similar situation. A bullet hose gun like that, with the archetype-wide minimal range and poor stability, is just not competitive even though the TTK would indicate that it is. What does vex have? -A 390 rpm auto rifle with the range of a 360, which is best in class for auto rifles -Significantly more stability than a 360 auto rifle, a department that this archetype normally struggles a lot in which is arguably why they are so underused -Stability and damage which ramp up with kills to make it even better -The archetype is in a well-balanced spot between rate of fire and damage. It isn't a bullet hose that is hard to hit enough shots with, like a 720, but it also isn't a clunky and awkward 360 pulse where missing a shot screws up your kill speed completely. Vex feels light weight, is very easy to aim with, has incredible range, and kills fast. This is without even mentioning the stability and damage buffs with overcharge, or the linear fusion mode which is basically just arbalest all over again. I'm not trying to sound like Im whining. Vex really does not bother me that much. Im just so tired of people acting like TTK is the only factor in making a gun good... you can not judge a gun by an excel spreadsheet

Vex is a special and a primary weapon mixed into one. It also has 100 aim assist whether you're on KBM or controller in or not in its linear fusion mode. You can completely miss the head by like 10cm and still get the headshot, same with lorentz or arbalest. My biggest issue with vex however which I see no one talk about is the sheer amount of flinch it gives off to snipers. I play alot of sniping and the flinch is just insane. I can snipe through most flinch in this game but vex is the hardest flinch for me to snipe through.

How many times has bungie over buffed a ton of guns in the lead up to selling a new dlc? Vex is intentionaly busted to draw us in. Enjoy it whilst you can. After theyve got everyones witchqueen money, they will undo everything they did this season. Its Bungie 101.

shatterdive is similar, mostly everyone was fine with it until this weekend. Suddenly the forum is filled with people crying about it.

We have been stuck in a hand cannon meta so long that those hand cannon users can’t adjust to anything else so when they die they complain.

Mythoclast was overtuned with its RPM change. The impact wasn't adjusted to match the new rate of fire, effectively beating every single High impact AR. Even False Promises, which can reach up to 40m, cant duel it because of that one oversight.

If it’s not that good, why is it the most used weapon in trials by far.

You are spreading misinformation. Vex is a 390 NOT a 360. That's a .77 ttk on a nearly 30 meter range auto rifle. It does roughly 35 per crit and 22 body. 35 x 5 is 175 + 22 = 197. So 5 crit and 1 body. 60÷390 = 0.1538 x(6-1) ~ .769 ttk. Revert it's rpm then it will be fine because it's currently better than EVERY single auto rifle...for no actual reason. That's the literal only nerf it needs. Google the mercules ttk spreadsheet, typically they are speedy with the numbers. Nerfed my shitty attitude.

I saw A LOT of Le Monarque this last weekend and was actually surprised I don't see anyone complaining about it lol.