So, many of you have recently noticed some [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZVo9qMMv_Y]post-SotL-launch Override dialogue[/url], where Mithrax mentions a new entity, Skira. Here is how that goes:
[quote]Mithrax: Reflecting on our victories, I am reminded of an Eliksni legend. One told by the scribes of House Judgment. Before the Great Machine, the Eliksni were hounded by Skira, the Watcher. A shapechanger, manipulator.
Ikora: Savathûn?
Mithrax: No. But... similar. A demon of our past, defeated.
Ikora: How?
Mithrax: Not with weapons or words, but with silence. Our fear and belief made Skira powerful. When we ceased being afraid, Skira ceased to be.[/quote]
So, what is Skira? Well, you all read the title. I'm not going to fall along the common theory that it's a reference to a new being, or rather an aspect of the Darkness. Nor am I going to say it's the Entity that controls Xivu Arath, the Taken, or the Scorn. Instead, I'm saying it's an Ahamkara.
"Why Archival," I hear you thinking, "that's very anticlimatic for something that took a whole season to be namedropped"
But let me explain why I think this way.
This Skira came to the Eliksni before the Traveler even made contact with them. Granted, many Dark things resided in our system before it arrived here as well, such as the K1 Anomaly. However, it's the rest that really put this together. Besides, the K1 Anomaly didn't talk to anyone until it was unearthed, and even then it was extremely hostile and acted more like a Marker from Dead Space and its masters follow the Traveler rather than communicating with species before it even arrives.
What is known as a shapechanger and manipulator? A lot of things can be labeled as either, but few as both. And being compared to Savathun? That really narrows the options here. We know Savathun has frequent contact with Ahamkara bones for reasons unknown. Some even go as far as to speculate she has a direct connection to the wish dragons. Either way, the two are comparable. Both shapeshift and both are very fond of manipulating people.
But what really gets me here is how Skira was defeated. With silence and non-belief. See, belief doesn't really affect Light and Dark in a literal sense. But think about this from the lens of an Ahamkara. You come to this world of gardeners, seeking fodder to feed upon their wishes. Of course, the wishes turn bad for them and they revolt. They stay silent, they erase you from their daily lives. They don't even know you exist. They no longer come to you for wishes, so you leave to find food elsewhere.
It makes way too much sense. Something Dark would be far more subtle, poison a society from within. Instead, this creature was beaten in a way that wouldn't deter many others, but would absolutely deter a being whose purpose requires people to know its existence.
So, what do you think?
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I took the part about non-belief ending the threat of Skira to contrast with the Darkness as presented in presage as an egregore- an entity given power through belief.
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Edited by Quicksilver: 9/9/2021 10:50:10 PMWho are you and what did you do with Archival?!? Only the [i]real[/i] Archival uses these<>! Explain thyself or be challenged to a duel!!! *pulls out sword* [i]En Garde![/i] [spoiler]uwu[/spoiler]
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Edited by EmeraldWaves996: 9/8/2021 3:37:30 PM<this man is an imposter, where’s the real archival?> But it is a really good theory. Makes a lot of sense. [spoiler]O Reader Mine[/spoiler]
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So they are ripping off Freddy Krueger.
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<Hmmm. There’s something different about you today.>
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1 ReplyI do feel like people have been making this character seem to be a larger player in the universe than it is. If giving the Darkness the silence treatment is all we need to do to beat it, then we have this in the bag. As for if Skira was an Ahamkara, I do think it's a possibility. That being said, how would the Eliksni feed it with wishes if they were too afraid to interact with it? Or did it feed simply off them believing in its deception? Either way, I do think it's a possibility, and a great realization on your part. I don't know if we'll ever have the thing's identity confirmed, but I definitely don't believe it's the Winnower.
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What do I think? I think this is the first post I’ve seen without <> 🤔🧐🤨 [i]-The One and Many[/i]
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Sounds like something a wish dragon would write to get people to believe it. <Where's the real archive mind who talks like this>
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You have to remember. “Skira” is the name the Eliksni put on this being. That might not even be its real name. Savathûn can change her form and is a master manipulator. Who’s to say no one else in the Hive pantheon is the same? Or even as being of the Deep?
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2 RepliesAhamkara appeared after the collapse, Skira being older than even Oryx means that it isn't an Ahamkara, I'd say maybe a Wormgod but even that would be too far fetched, it's most likely like some kind of cosmic demon or somewhat, seeing as the Hive had defeated and extinct so many past civilizations that are even older than our solar system itself
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3 RepliesSounds like "Skira" is Eliksni for "Karen" lol.
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Maybe. Too little info now, but shapechanger is definitely an indication of ahamkara. I believe a similar token is used to describe Riven. Or it could be any number of changelings from DnD...
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Frankly, I kind of think this is just an eliksni folk lore tale more than an actual being. I think the purpose here is Mithrax is offering wisdom on defeating Savathun. The more we fear/question her the stronger she becomes. Just my thoughts
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This was my hot take as well
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1 ReplyEdited by Jdniscool: 9/6/2021 5:03:56 AMNope. Definitely what Savathun means when she says “look up.” Spoilers for the ending of the Witch Queen story. Do not open this, seriously. Only open this if you don’t care about spoilers. Now, with that warning out of the way: [spoiler]Skira, the Watcher is another term for the “The Witness.” Who will reveal itself at the end of the story or some other point during Year 5. She will say “I am the Witness. I am coming.” Or something like that.[/spoiler]
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I actually like this it would be a good twist from the [b]GOD LIKE POWERS IN SHAPES[/b]
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That is interesting and would playing into the destiny mythos.
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7 RepliesSkira is a Stephen King reference you idiot. More specifically it’s It. It was ultimately slain when the children of Derry were no longer afraid of It.
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5 RepliesQuick question, but was it ever confirmed that Ahamkara and Worm Gods are different species? Because, if they’re not, Skira might also be a name for Savathûn’s worm.
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That was a good read and a very good theory :)
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I'd say you're on the money here.
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15 RepliesI hope its a new entity all together something akin to a demon that feeds off fear and being acknowledged. Reusing a old creature like a ahamkara would feel anticlimactic. Lets be all 100% we were all curious what a ahamkara looks like till we saw riven and curious what a worm god was till we saw Xol. It would be very interesting to introduce a inter dimensional race that are akin to demons and behaved similar to ahamkara Just my thoughts on what i hope it is
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Makes a lot of sense, actually. Riven, after all, wasn't described as the last Ahamkara. One of her titles was the last KNOWN Ahamkara. There's a very high chance more of them are still out there somewhere. If Skira turns out to be more than just a name, having another Ahamkara on the playing field may make things interesting. Especially if they're independent.
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After reading the lore entry... You would have to be crazier then me to think that was not an Ahamkara.
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A very plausible theory. It’s very hard to predict some stuff due to the low amount of information we have. I see similarities but ahamkara feed off desire not belief so I don’t think it will turn out to be one yet I also won’t be too surprised if it did either.