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Best way to describe Paracausality, acausality, and causality

Note: this obviously open to interpretation for this is just my thought on these terms, take it as you will... In Destiny, there is both paracausality and acausality. Before we continue, let's define the root word in both terms: causality. Causality is the notion that every cause has an effect. It's Newton's Third Law, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Acausality is to be exempt from that rule. Paracausality is to be beyond/above that rule. For in-game examples, the Vex possess acausal power-- this is their ability to travel through time. Because they can time travel, they are exempt from the rule that every cause has an effect. However, because the Vex disregard the rules of causality, those rules need to exist in the first place. So ultimately, the Vex, for all their power, have inescapable, predictable limitations. They may rebel against the laws of physics, but if those laws do not exist, what is it exactly that they rebel against? Now paracausal power basically just rejects the system of causality altogether. Let's go back to the Books of Sorrow where the Vex fought an impossible war against the Hive for an example. The Vex had zero chance of winning because their power was acausal, whereas the Hive's power was paracausal. Think of their war as a game of basketball. The Vex, in order to win, would use their acausal power to go back in time and score an infinite amount of points across every moment in time. The Hive would use their paracausal power to basically, like, eat the idea of the game of basketball. If acausality is rebellion against the law that every cause must have an effect, paracausality is the destruction of that law. [i]-The One and Many[/i]
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  • Edited by True: 9/2/2021 9:52:32 PM
    It certainly puts Guardians in an interesting place. One of the HUGE pieces of lore between Shadowkeep and Beyond Light is the slow realization of our Guardian that we haven't even tapped into a fraction of our true power. We are beings FUEL BY COMPLETEL PARACAUSAL ENERGY. As time has passed and we've acquired Stasis, we've realized that we are capable of so much more, but out understanding of reality binds us, restricts us. Someone like Savathun, who in all reality is probably weaker than our Guardian, can easily overwhelm us because she isn't tied to a perception of reality, she IS her own reality. If we ever move past our grounded delusion that what we see in front of us is our factual reality then we could, in theory, annihilate the entirety of the Hive, The Cabal, and the Vex without blinking.

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      • I have the power of casuality

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      • Causality is physics, paracausal is ignoring physics

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      • Casual: laws of physics. Acasual: laws of physics, but you can re adjust its meaning. Paracasual: you throw physics out the window. Thank you for listening to my Ted talk.

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      • Well the prefix para- means “beside” so maybe paracausality is beyond causality; but maybe instead being paracausal means that that thing is both the cause and the effect. Maybe it’s neither the cause or the affect, but both.

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        • Edited by Killah-Hurtz: 9/2/2021 11:46:41 PM
          So what's the difference between acausality and paracausality? Acausality is "random" or not being defined by causality. Paracausality is the direct intentional "violation" of causality.

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        • [quote]eat the idea of the game of basketball[/quote] [spoiler]chainsaw man, is that you?[/spoiler]

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        • This is a very good way of explaining it tbh I myself usually use that one choose your own adventure lore card from truth to power In it there's a option that goes something like "if you're reading top to bottom you're paracausal, if you read this as it were intended, you are not"

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          • You had it till eating the basketball bit. Paracausal would be something like stopping the vex in all points in time. So consider an entity which does not have an entropy and therefore does not have a concept of time and exists in all points of time. Vex time travel would be irrelevant to them because for them the vex don't really move. But for vex, they would be looking at an infinite being which cannot be conquered by their ultimate weapon (time travel) because the weapon has no impact on their dimension. In our understanding, this would be the (theoritical) quantum state of zero negative entropy which is typically associated to photons. To make a photon paracausal, just imagine it had infinite mass. For an individual photon, time is irrelevant as it does not exist. So if I were a photon, vex time travel would be irrelevant as it doesn't exist and I would always know what is/was and will be. Which can be manipulated in anyway I want.

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            • Kinda of but not really. Paracausality is simply existing because you exist. It does not go deeper than that. Certain paracausal beings can extend this property to other objects ta around them by using the anthem anathema to influence reality, such as when the player character throws a grenade or double jumps.

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              • send this to r/Destinylore, you'll have a good audience who will want to discuss this with you

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              • Bump, I love discussions like these

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