I think this is a bit hyperbolic, or not just a bit, very hyperbolic. Like this, [i]"The player might be just fine, perfectly knowledgeable on the activity to be done, and still drag the team down because their class's kit simply cannot compete."[/i], I completely disagree with this. To directly address that comment: Then why do I, on hunter, manage to get the most kills of anyone in raids many times that I run them and produce as much as or more damage on bosses in raids? Why can I do GMs on hunter and get more kills than a titan or warlock on a regular basis, too? And generate more orbs, earn more score? Surely I'm not "dragging my team down" by being a Hunter. Yes, Hunters do not contribute as much "neutral ability value" to a fireteam. They do not have a Rift, turrets that freeze enemies, a legendary sword that does more damage than many exotics, or any of a variety of sustained buff effect supers. You can't just throw down a barrier or whatever and say, "hey, I'm contributing!". That is not how the class is designed or meant to be played. However, that is completely disregarding what they can bring: Void hunters are the only class in the game capable of providing a fireteam with stealth. This is a significant boon to have in endgame content. It can trivialize some content people do on the regular, like skipping certain parts of dungeons easily or guaranteeing the "Chad walk" in VOG or simply using the utility in general to be able to engage with raid mechanics freely. This obviously isn't everything having an instant on-demand stealth buff can provide. Void hunters also provide capped stats through Heart of the Pack if you choose bottom tree, and heavy damage resistance with Omnioculus. Void hunters are also the only class in the game with an incoming damage debuff that is not tied to a seasonal mod or specific weapon. Deadfall provides a damage debuff equivalent to Divinity and stacks with buffs like Well or Ward. With Orpheus Rigs, Deadfall can be used on a near-loop, as well. Again, with Void hunter, tons of orb generation with Deadfall or Moebius Quiver. Providing Ursa Furiosa-levels of orbs, if not more. Something only Ursa can more or less match. Stasis hunter is a fantastic vehicle for certain things in GMs, like running Aeon Swift to provide ammo for your team and safely maneuvering for the finishers. Hunter's dodge ability actually allows you to get into and do things you wouldn't be able to do as reliably on other classes simply because it's an instant button to cover a ton of ground. The Revenant super is extremely useful in endgame content, firmly more flexible than a Behemoth titan and much more safe to use. Only Shadebinder has a better PVE super in Stasis and that's only because it has potential to last slightly longer and can be controlled directly. Solar hunter has the highest burst damage in the entire game with a fully charged Star-Eater Scales and Golden Gun precision damage. No other class can produce as much instant damage. A fully charged Star-Eater Golden Gun can nearly single-handedly push an entire Shuro Chi phase. Solar hunter with Blade Barrage and Shards of Galanor can deal an extremely high amount of damage to Atheon, competitive with other grenades builds out there and exceeding the damage of things like Chaos Rush with Geomags. Solar hunter with Young Ahamkara's Spine and tripmine grenades has some of the highest DPS on Atheon, along with Titan and Warlock's fusion grenade builds. Hunter is very desirable in VOG and a variety of other endgame content for relic running and handling many mobility-intensive mechanics. Anyways... I could go on with all sorts of other things there are, but you get the picture... The proof of a class's strength is in the player's ability to handle it. Period. It doesn't matter if you're on a hunter or not. Stop with this myth that hunters are "useless" in PVE. Start adapting to situations and using the tools you have available to you instead of trying to play Hunter like a Titan or Warlock.

Hunters deserve it. Literally 99% of all the toxic ppl I meet on this game are -blam!-ing Hunters!

Unless you are a mainstream content creator with hundreds of thousands of followers... Bungie doesn't care about ur feedback.

[quote]I do not care how hunters' performance is in PVP. I rarely play it unless necessary, to save my own sanity. Don't bother trying to use that as an argument. I do not care how hunters play in solo content, that's the point of the class. Loners. Save the energy and comment elsewhere because I'm ignoring it.[/quote] This is probably why every Hunter main who no-lifes PvP has such an ego pretending like they're good or something lmao

Not sure if this post is meant to be satirical or serious. If it’s the latter, the OP needs to pull their head out of their backside. It wasn’t too long ago that Hunters were desperately needed for a variety of PvE activities. Orpheus Rigs were a must before it was nerfed into the ground. Celestial nighthawk was tops for DPS until guiding missile and chaos reach came around.

I've never understood posts like this. Hunters are mega viable in GMs/raids. I play all three classes. I have ran more than enough GMs on Hunter as all 4 sub classes. I truly and genuinely have know idea why people think they sick in PvE. [spoiler]Warlock main btw[/spoiler]

All I require is a Tether buff and a small resistance for all classes when they’re invis. Then I shall be whole.

Would help if they didn’t make functionally every super a roaming super for it. Arc? Roaming super. Solar? Roaming super but with range. Void? Stationary super with no damage to speak of. Stasis? Ai controlled roaming super. Bungie created a system where burst damage is king and hunter lacks all forms of it with only nighthawk somewhat closing that gap but requiring higher skill to not miss crit(if boss has a crit at all). I play all 3 and imo only use a hunter has now is omniculus and all supers are bad in endgame. Everything a hunter super can do something else’s can do better and this is reinforced by the seasonal debuff mods/divinity being easy alternatives to void super for debuffs with no super required. Hunter is trash in pve and needs its next super to be a burst damage one and done super not a roaming super and not an ai controlled roaming super and also not whatever weaksauce damage blade barrage is. Whatever they do I hope it at least does same damage as top tree nova in a single throw without that casting throw crap that something like blade barrage has. Titan could honestly use one of these as well since main thing it has is that singular exotic for its middle tree arc for damage otherwise you are delegated to bubble.