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6/20/2021 7:50:24 AM
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Class imbalance is beyond messed up.
The imbalance between classes is ridiculous and needs to be addressed. I’ve had this argument almost as much as I’ve been actively playing the game, me being a hunter main against the other two. Here are my examples:
Each class is supposed to have a specific role in each team. Bungie has said this over and over again, but break this rule repeatedly. Titans are defensive, warlocks are support, and hunters are boss damage/agility. Lion rampants let’s Titans hover for an eternity, while transversive steps reloads ANY weapon after sprinting for just a few seconds. Stompees increase jump height, slide distance and sprint speed slightly. With how the game plays, stompees aren’t even useful, just convenient.
Infinite super exotics. We all remember how Rigs worked, but were nerfed into the ground, with a 50% cap on super energy returned. Titans AND warlocks and get their supers back infinitely. Easier too, I might add. The titan just has to stand there and hold a button. Warlocks get theirs by defeating combatants with the entire team helping. Why isn’t ours back to how it was since it would STILL be easier to get the super back for the other two than it would be on Rigs?
Things that each class can do better than the others. Nighthawk used to be the best damage in the game. It got nerfed. Now it’s Falling star missile. Not only does it do more damage, but it gives an overshield so there’s no risk to flying headfirst into the boss. Taking away supers: only the hunter could do this, then the titan got a simple grenade that can, also they can have 2 of them. So a 40 second grenade can take away a super versus my 4 minute ENTIRE super ability. Invisibility: this is the only thing the hunter has that the other two don’t, but it’s absolutely garbage. No target break in PvE, and hardly useful at all in PvP. Support abilities: hunter have nothing at all. Besides a few trash buffs from a class tree. Well of radiance and bubble are ridiculously good, along with middle tree void on titan with Ursa. Simple little things: hunter grenades are trash. Magnetic and fusion grenades are really good, ours are trash or below average across the board.
These and many many other imbalances have made the hunter a shadow of its former self. This imbalance is beyond ridiculous and unfair. I’ve never seen such a blatant biased against a class in any MMO or rpg. Something needs to be done. I love my hunter, like a large percentage of other people also do, but when I see raid teams and endgame content teams asking for the other two day in and day out, it’s very aggravating and frustrating.
These issues are from years of experience and time into this character, yet we get nerfed almost immediately, while the other two take months, if not years to get nerfed. Our exotics are weak and pointless, minus a handful, whereas the other two classes have only a handful of BAD exotics. It’s beyond unfair and biased.
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1 ReplyThis is a troll right? Right? Tell me its not serious?
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3 RepliesEdited by WulfPak666: 6/20/2021 4:19:12 PMHow are Hunters a "shadow of their former selves?" They're literally the most used class in the game and the only thing that comes close to topping Hunters in pvp is 1 Warlock subclass, which is getting probably nerfed anyway. I mean, I'll gladly take some of your exotics. I'd love a better jump, I'd love an exotic that boost all my supers by 70% damage just for collecting orbs. I'd love an exotic that charges all my abilities just by running or gives me two class ability uses. Oh and how are we even complaining about super Regen exotics at this point in time when you can literally get a super in nearly 20 seconds using Charged with light/ elemental well/ dynamo or Thresh builds?? As for the roles of each class, Bungie do wmt know what they want. Seems like they want the classes to do a little of everything but excel at 1 thing in particular. You want borderline immortality, run Well or Bubble. You want debuffs run Hammers, Tether or spectral. You want DPS, use Goldie (or tether with star eater), Chaos or Thundercrash. You want crowd control, use stasis. If bungie wanted the classes to play a specific role they should just double down and remake the subclasses. You want Warlock to be Support/debuff make it so. You Titan to be face tank, make it so. You want Huntera for DPS or crowd control, make it so. I think beside Well, the closest Warlock has even come to being a true support class was SunSinger, unless you only used Self Rez. Song of Flame gave everyone around you increased heath and ability Regen, viking funeral debuffed enemies and the you could run Brimstone to poop out addition orbs, making it one of the only Classes besides Defender Titan to be able to make more than 7 orbs while in super. All that being said, I do agree with some things that you've brought up in you grievances. It all boils down to what Bungie wants and clearly, Bungie doesn't even know what they want anymore. Seems like everything gets flipped whenever a new expansion comes out. Can't wait to see how busted that new rumored poison class is gonna be.
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7 RepliesI agree, class balance is messed up, you always have a Hunter subclass on top of the meta in console pvp.
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Edited by Astrosa: 6/20/2021 9:13:43 PMAs I hunter main I see no problem [spoiler]you can have infinite invisibility in pve [/spoiler]
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27 RepliesEdited by Vexx: 6/20/2021 4:55:04 PMFalling star Titan damage - 187k Geomags Warlock damage - 187k Star-eaters tether Hunter - 371k Star-eaters GG + knock'em down - 297k Star-eater GG without knock'em down - 228k "Falling star missle best damage in the game" - Stop smoking crack buddy. "Hunter grenades are trash" - Voidwall grenade is only beaten by an overcharged warlock vortex, learn how to throw it. One of the best grenades in the game. "A few trash buffs from the class tree" - Heart of the pack gives +30 mobility, resilience, recovery, and a huge increase in weapon handling PER STACK to ALL teammates. Which any decent hunter knows how to spam infinitely to their hearts content. "Then the titan got a simple grenade that can (take away supers)" - It has quite literally always had this grenade wtf are you even talking about. "Titans AND warlocks can get their supers back infinitely" - Ursa Furiosa gives back a maximum of 80% super energy. Phoenix Protocol gives back a maximum of 80% super energy. Oh and guess what, Orpheus Rigs give back a maximum of 80% super energy. What a coincidence. "These issues are from years of experience and time into this character" - Maybe you need to do some research and put in a little more time, because you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not even hating here. I actually agree with you that Hunter is the lowest class in PvE right now, as an overall. However, I don't agree with you on ANY point that you have made here at all. Hunter has some great build potential, some amazing exotics, and quite literally the best damage in the game. Every class has trash exotics that don't get used, the fact that you value transversive steps over stompees or dragons shadow says everything I need to know.
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4 RepliesEdited by Centaur-1: 6/20/2021 5:13:23 PM“We always get nerfed the fastest and have the worst exotics.” Literally anyone can say this about literally any class. The classes still play their own roles, but there’s no problem with slightly improving other aspects of the class.
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4 RepliesImagine saying Stomp-EE5 are useless 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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The original marketing for Destiny suggested class roles. A lot that was suggested then never materialized.
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In a shocking turn of events a hunter main complained that hunters aren’t strong enough! Imagine my surprise!
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7 RepliesThis post is asking to get dumped on. You may want to re think your wall of text
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You literally have more hours on a hunter in d2 than warlock and titan combined in both d2/d1. You don’t know what you are talking about. It’s simple as that. Also judging by how you react to people who disagree with you, you need to sit down and reflect upon your choice of words and the thoughts behind them.
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Just a few notes I have about this post: -Agility =/= movement speed -Titans and Warlocks can’t get their supers back infinitely. I don’t know what Titan exotic you’re talking about because I only use like 3 Titan exotics, but with Phoenix Protocol, it requires you to be consistently killing in the Well. It is only that useful when killing large amounts of adds, and won’t fully bring back super energy -There’s no reason Hunters should have the greatest damage in the game (cuirass is a bit much tho) -Titan grenade existed before the Hunter super, by your logic I could argue that Hunters got something that only Titans were supposed to have -Invisibility can be pretty useful in PvE Probably my favorite point out of the bunch: -Why should Hunters have a monopoly on peak damage, suppression, and invisibility, but Warlocks and Titans shouldn’t be the only classes with support abilities? If Warlocks are supposed to be the support class, why should Hunters have support abilities? -On that same note, what do Titans and Warlocks have that Hunters don’t? Warlocks have grenade eating and Blink I guess, Titans have melee lunges, but none of that sticks out all that much compared to Hunters -I’ve never been a massive grenade user, but I assure you there are better grenades on all 3 classes than Fusions and Magnetics
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2 RepliesYou could have the same complaints for every class so don't cry for your hunter being bad (really good)
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6 RepliesHold up... What the fukk??? Where did you get that titans are defense oriented, warlocks are support oriented and hunters are damage oriented?????????? Over the franchise's lifetime, Titan has been the most support based due to the popularity of bubble and tether is arguably the first true support subclass. But because Hunter has celestial nighthawk it's supposed to be dps king??? Dude you're completely wrong.
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3 RepliesEdited by TheArtist: 6/20/2021 12:06:47 PMYou are wanting to play a game that Bungie has made clear from Day One that they had no desire to make. The different classes and subclasses represent different fighting styles and power-fantasies. Not the rigid roles that you get in conventional MMOs Lastly you are not complaining about “balance”. You seem more angry that Hunters aren’t the best at everything in the game. Which defeats the whole point of having different classes if that were allowed to happen.
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1 ReplyNo one wants to remain with these major limitations to playstyle according to class. No, Warlock doesn't want to be just support. No, Titan isn't just defense. No, Hunter isn't the only boss damager. Throw those away and give the player choices.
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3 RepliesHunters make up +-70% of the playerbase. They are in no way whatsoever underpowered. Stompies is probably the most equiped exotic in the game. Celestial golden gun and falling star do about the same damage. And no, Pheonix protocol and ursa give the same amount of super as Orpheus. You are literally wrong in every way. Btw, in your view Titans: just there to stop me taking damage Warlocks: just there to heal me But Hunters: high mobility and damage Pls go back to the clown college
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I will say that i think that it's kind of wack that titans now have a super that has a massive AoE attack, super armor, and the highest damage in the game with an exotic, compared to hunters which have a super with no damage resistance, little to no AoE, needs a crit to do high damage, and still puts out lower damage with an exotic. For the longest time, hunters were the dps roll for raids and thats kinda been our only place, but now titans have that on us. Celestial is inferior and is way more risky to use than falling star. Star Eater scales do more damage I believe, but need quite the set up to ger maximum usage. Falling star just gives everything hunters don't have and what they do have but even better for free. There's nothing inherently wrong with falling star. I love the thing, but comparing it to the other exotics with golden gun, it's better in every way. It works with hunters cause we're the "glass cannon" and are only good for pumping damage. With thundercrash now, you are now everything in addition to being made of stone. There has to be trade offs. Idk if the answer is a falling star nerf or a celestial buff, but i feel like something should be done cause at the moment, golden gun is high risk and medium high reward, and thundercrash is low risk and very high reward.
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1 ReplyEdited by YonaRulz: 6/20/2021 4:52:20 PMThis is the longest bait post I've seen or you're delusional
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1 ReplyThe only fair point you made concerns the Titan's suppressor grenades and the Hunter's tether. While it's true Titans have better suppression in PvP they still have to play effectively against enemy players while restricting their grenade usage. Hunter invisibility in PvE doesn't break targeting immediately, so you have to activate the ability sooner than you'd otherwise use it. Believe what you want about invisibility in PvP, however it can work. Before the change Hunters realistically had no trade-off to regain 100% of their super. Now Hunters have to rely on additional kills and orbs like every other super. Minus Banner Shield, which has its own trade-off. If this is how you truly feel then I don't think you are actually looking at the Hunter class objectively to form an effective build or playstyle. That or you've had one too many bad experiences with LFG.
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1 ReplyMy Hunter is my support character, my Warlock is add clear, and my Titan is boss damage. I didn’t read anything after that, as it’s clear that you and I are playing different games.
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You’re right that it’s kind of messed up but it’s absolutely not hunters that are the lowest
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1 ReplyXbox Hunter main thats all Imma say
