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6/11/2021 3:33:17 AM
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Pvp hand cannon range v scout rifles....
Hand cannons need a serious adjustment to their range falloff in PvP. When I am shooting across a long map from 200-300 meter ranges I should not get outgunned by a handcannon 99 times out of 100. I was using nightwatch, and every hand cannon I went against outgunned me almost every time....this makes 0 sense. Unless it's eriana's vow, it should not have that much range...my RIFLE aka a long range weapon should not be outgunned by a pistol....at long range. This seriously makes no sense!
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1 ReplyPvp in this game needs to be pulled and complete overhaul while bungo is at it, sell it and let someone who knows what they are doing handle it.
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2 RepliesBungie doesn't want people hanging out at the edges of the map and plinking away in either PVP or PVE. That is their "explanation" for the state of SRs which I frankly dont' agree with. There are **so** many aspects of this game right now that are unfavorable to the use of scout rifles---map design, add concentration, level of add aggression, etc....----that there really is no excuse for how underpowered they are. In PVE, the situation is so bad that I basically have to put a "Minor" mod on every SR, AND only use rolls with damage perks like Rampage or (preferably) Explosive Rounds.....for the weapon to simply feel usable. Not powerful mind you.....but USEABLE. I really don't understand Bungie's mentality of rendering entire weapons classes (like SRs and Fusion Rifles) so underpowered that no one really wants to use them....and then waste the time and energy keeping them in the game. If you're that opposed to their use....just remove them from the game and use those resources on something else.
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People who make these claims are delusional, too close to their target, or missing every shot. Scouts work just fine at their intended ranges, most maps just dont have that many long lanes.
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Scouts need their range bumped up to that of snipers and they need to receive less flinch.
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1 ReplyEdited by High Charity: 6/12/2021 3:29:29 PMWorth pointing out that Nightwatch is supposed to have poor range for a scout rifle as it's a 200rpm. You do have best in class aim assist though. Also, lmao 200-300m ranges. Those don't exist on D2 PvP.
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I was using a igneous hammer and this guy was like at sniper range and I was still in three tap range. Pls nerf
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10 RepliesAll I'm getting from this thread is that either your measurements or your depth perception is off.
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Tell that to all the whiny -blam!- complaing about dead mans tale. Theyre fine with mapping people with a HC but cry about a scout that is SUPPOSED to beat them at that range.
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2 RepliesThe longest range someone can really shoot is 80m which is extremely rare.
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There are zero maps where you have 200-300 meter lanes
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6 Repliesat that range the hand cannon is doing like 10 damage. unless it has explosive rounds then it'll do 30 damage. also. what maps are you plying. that a have 200 m areas. destiny maps have a maximum area of like 70- 80 meters as an open straight line at max. what are you high on? not to mention hand cannons do real damage at like 40 - 49 range max. that's with max range 120s. please use your brain.
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1 Reply120's need a slight range reduction, they should not have scout rifle range.
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how the flip are you shooting 300 meters. that’s the distance of the biggest map, easily. 120s fall off at less than 40 meters most of the time, without a damage/range boost buff.
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Most maps are smaller than they look
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2 RepliesEdited by A_mo: 6/11/2021 5:10:30 PMWhat map is this taking place on 100 times? Are you shooting from one map to another map? Scouts probably could use a buff though. There are real considerations for how OP they could easily become. Most have high stability and any buff would probably have them work at closer ranges plus the range buff you want. Then there'd be no real reason to use anything else.
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1 ReplyNight watch is hot trash, unless you manage to poach a kill and prox swashbuckler or rampage. When ever I hear that weapon fire and my team mate is using it I cringe, they’re basically feeding the other team free kills.
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4 RepliesLoL 200-300 meters….. This is why Bungie doesn’t listen to the players here.
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2 RepliesYou cant lose at this range with scout vs HC, if you do its your problem mate.
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Let’s say you’re actually 200m and your losing battles to hand cannons with 30-40m range using a scout rifle and losing you’re just trash 😂🤷♂️
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1 ReplyThe problem is scout rifles suck. The issue isn't hand cannons.
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2 RepliesEdited by michael: 6/11/2021 1:09:24 PMYou are exaggerating, no map in this game has 2-300m lanes, but it is true that 120 hand cannons have too much range. They can effectively 3 tap up to 50-60m which is ridiculous. 140s are fine though because they are only up to around 35
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Edited by sum12mezzwith: 6/11/2021 3:36:36 AMIts whats the handcannon users wanted was buffs. Which they got.. Now they are over tuned on top of them flinching your guns harshly even with unflinching mods. Adjustments are needed.
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I mean, the furthest a max range 120 rpm handcannon can go is 43 ish meters, but that’s still less than scouts. The maps are the problem, not the guns.
