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Warlock Season of the Nerfs

Boots of the Assembler lasted a week until Bungie killed them off for reasons. Nobody wants to use Sanguine Alchemy because they suck. Bungie is constantly trying to shove Warlocks into a support roles then give us an exotic which does absolutely nothing for you solo and is solely there to support the fire-team then they promptly make them trash tier. If rifts were crashing games then why haven't promethium spurs been touched? So the hunter boots get an actual buff despite the hunter community rage but warlocks get shafted again. Now it's back to Transversive Steps and Ophidian Aspects for me because they seem like the only exotics that Bungie won't nerf for Warlocks. Warlocks are the least played class in PVP and yet hunters and titans get stronger and stronger but it's the warlocks that catch nerf after nerf and I can't figure out why. Hunters are number 1 in everything but even when Bungie "nerfs" them they somehow get stronger because Bungie gives them a stronger alternative. Behemoth's are Behemoth's. Shadebinder is so far behind the other stasis subclasses it's ridiculous. Next up for Warlocks: chaos reach getting the nova warp treatment. Get ready to throw those geo mags in the trash because Bungie is getting ready to massacre them again. After that Warlocks will be relegated to top tree dawnblade pvp and well of radiance for pve. Then they will nerf those too.
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  • Funny, mains of both other classes will always somehow be deluded into thinking that their class is the least played, weakest AND most nerfed all at once yet the evidence is all there. Hell I'm a warlock main in name only now. I still have the most time spent on my warlock but I'm playing my titan primarily in PvE and PvP, especially in PvP because it has a higher number of viable and fun skill trees to run than I feel my warlock does while not having to try hard to make them work (NOVA WARP). Behemoth is fun to mess around with even though I'm not good with it, burning maul is fun and decent, middle tree sentinel is funny when people chain explode, etc. My warlock has top tree dawnblade and if I'm feeling spicy, top tree stormcaller but I refuse to touch Nova Bomb cause its so wonky.

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  • Edited by Vox Aphotix: 5/28/2021 6:22:53 PM
    Bungie: And for the warlock to exotic, we have boots of the assembler. They turn your rift into lumina. Warlock: NO! You can’t force us to be the support class! These boots are gonna suck BoA: get released Warlocks: Dang, these are good Bungie: Now your rift can’t regenerate when you are standing in a rift. (Titans: HEY! Now they are like icefall mantles) Warlocks: NO! You can’t nerf my precious [u]SUPPORT[/u] exotic! Edit: Warlocks: These boots totally make sanguine alchemy useless. Bungie: we got rid of the regeneration so sanguine has a chance. Warlocks: Who even uses sanguine? They are worthless. Why did you nerf it to make sanguine better?

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    • And now Shadebinder gets nerfed hard too, despite being the 9th best subclass. Really Bungo? Nice bias.

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      • Remember back in D1 when Hunters cried all the time? Did all the D1 hunter mains move to warlock in D2?

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        • Warlock persecution complex strikes again. Seriously, I bet psychologist couches are full of warlocks right now.

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        • Warlocks are in good spot in my opinion. Shadebinder nerf was unnecessary but whatever haven’t really used stasis much. I want the revenant whirlwind duration to receive the nova warp treatment though. It lasts too long in my opinion.

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          • Edited by Sage: 5/28/2021 4:20:21 PM
            Its ok! According to this forum, because of our win rate for 1 subclass, warlocks are the easiest subclass to use and are the strongest!! We need more nerfs to us apparently. Let's only nerf warlocks and buff titans and hunters. Apparently those 2 classes are weaker than warlocks. /s [spoiler]smfh, most people who told me that have the least time spent and lowest kd on their warlocks, but their opinions must be objectively correct right?[/spoiler] [spoiler]take my bump[/spoiler]

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          • [quote]Warlocks are the least played class in PVP and yet hunters and titans get stronger and stronger but it's the Warlocks that catch nerf after nerf and I can't figure out why.[/quote] Did, did you even read the twab my good sir?

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          • Warlocks have officially replaced fusion rifles

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            • Nah hunter have the worst support class in game. Other classes can do our job now with breach and clear for the debuff. Which is legit the same as a tether firing off onto something and has the plus of damage ticks with witherhoard and Anarchy. And even then when that mods not around people want divinity or have tractor cannon or hammer strike which all do either the same level of debuff or better. Its stupid and makes an entire humter subclass completely useless in every level of PvE outside of patrol and strike playlist. Warlocks have the best add control subclass In game with stasis locks with the turrents and verity's brow. Freezing legit everything. Or you can use something like Trinity ghoul with its Catalyst which is the best add clearing exotic in game (good example is my last vog run i covered all three sides spamming it at all the groups of adds.) Only thing close to that level is Witherhoard/anarchy on spawn doorways and salvagers salvo (which would free up a exotic slot) so dont say hunter are number one at everything. Besides your top tree nova does more damage than a Nighthawk crit by about 12k more damage and thats without a exotic armor piece. You can say "bUt HuNtErS HaVe StAr EaTeR ScAlEs" but that requires even more setup now and isnt always consistant enough to do max damage at all times. Maybe once on the first damage phase and thats it. Just basic crappy 3 shot goldy from there on with a slight bump in damage from time to time. Nighhawk is a more consistant source simply because its a one and done. I want a better support class for high end PvE so im not stuck on bottom tree golden gun for everything. Your tired of being the support role, well I'm tired of being the worst dps role in PvE.

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            • Hunters are not Number 1 in everything, Warlocks were required for almost every raid and end game activity when the activities first release. When boss Phase comes around people ask for Bubble and Well of Radiance, no one asks for Golden Gun celestial or Tether. Warlocks also have had the highest winrate in Crucible with Dawnblade since 2018, you can look that up if you dont believe me. Its not that Bungie favors hunters or buffs items for them, its that Warlocks have been so dominate in the game that any form of buff they receive makes them ungoldy unbalanced compared to the other classes. Warlocks have the best roaming super in the game with Dawnblade, The best Team-Support super with Well of Radiance, and the second HIGHEST damage super in the game with Top tree Nova Bomb at 187,381 damage. Hunter Celestial Goldengun does 186,691 damage. The strongest Damage Super is Titans Bottom Tree Solar at 360,260. I always see a lot of people complain about Warlocks lack of versatility when it comes to viable classes, and to throw facts out there: Standard Warlock PVE (Raids/Endgame activities): Nova Bomb/Devour Well of Radiance Chaos Reach Standard Hunter PVE (Raids/Endgame activities): Top Tree Tether Goldengun Nighthawk For PVP warlocks can use Both Top and Bot tree Nova Bomb Chaos Reach Storm trance (This may not be viable in Competitive) Dawnblade (Which need I remind you has had the highest ranked crucible winrate since 2018) Hunters can use 6 Shot golden gun Blade barrage Spectral Blades For both PVE and PVP Hunters have at minimum 1 less viable super available to them Warlocks complain a heck of a lot about being under powered but literally have the highest Competitive crucible win rate FOR 3 YEARS and the most utility out of all three classes. I really don't understand how this keeps coming up.

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              • Fun fact they just nerfed shadebinder

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                • welp stasis warlock is now going from bad ok in crucible to striaght up died in a bin which is on fire, is radioactive and has all the raid bosses stomping all over it even valus taurc.

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                • It is ridiculous how nerfed the Warlock is compared to other classes right now, especially in PVP. ------------ Can I have my nova bomb back, please? Nova bomb is the biggest symbol of Warlock nerfing. When I use it in PVP now (rarely, but I miss it) I aim right at groups of opponents and it kills... nobody.

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                  • Edited by hate n payne: 5/26/2021 6:05:54 PM
                    This right here. Someone in the forums tried to tell me that Warlocks are the most OP. They mentioned all the exotics that are either potent in PVE or PVP as well as Geomags combined with Chaos Reach. 😂😂😂😂. Everybody with common sense knows Bungie favors the Hunters the most. That is why Stompees and Dragon’s Shadow are still potent while Sanguine Alchemy got a nerf immediately before Trials was pushed out. Gotta keep that competitive scene of no skill alive and well.

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                    • [quote]Next up for Warlocks: chaos reach getting the nova warp treatment. Get ready to throw those geo mags in the trash because Bungie is getting ready to massacre them again. After that Warlocks will be relegated to top tree dawnblade pvp and well of radiance for pve. Then they will nerf those too.[/quote] Joke's on you: they nerfed Well of Radiance a long time ago when they made the buff/Debuff changes. Well is only used for the healing, because Weapons of Light overwrites the damage boost.

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                      Maybe you have played too much warlock. For me Warlock is top pick almost in every activity I used to mainly play titan, then all 3 now too lazy and might just start playing 'lock. No matter the activity, difficulty or requirements lock can cover it all. Best fireteam support, best fireteam damage, maybe best solo survivability. Void, solar, arc,ability, weapon does not matter there is subclass and exotic for everything. PvE. Damage nova bomb, chaos mags, dawnblade chorus also Well. Support and survivability rift, Well, devour. Speed run transversive steps. For funz nova warp, arc "warp", chaos, bot tree dawnblade. PvP. Dawnblade(s, bot tree is actually fun also), Chaos, Shadebinder. Lacks movement on most subclasses, but has good enough nades, ranged melees and supers to cover this. And awesome exotics to support these.

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                    • I dunno. Having a roaming super that shoots icy tracking missles that can detonate at the press of a button sounds busted to me. Everything deserves the nerfs in some way, just go with the flow, unless it backfires, then we can complain easily.

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                    • [quote]Boots of the Assembler lasted a week until Bungie killed them off for reasons. Nobody wants to use Sanguine Alchemy because they suck. Bungie is constantly trying to shove Warlocks into a support roles then give us an exotic which does absolutely nothing for you solo and is solely there to support the fire-team then they promptly make them trash tier. If rifts were crashing games then why haven't promethium spurs been touched? So the hunter boots get an actual buff despite the hunter community rage but warlocks get shafted again. Now it's back to Transversive Steps and Ophidian Aspects for me because they seem like the only exotics that Bungie won't nerf for Warlocks. Warlocks are the least played class in PVP and yet hunters and titans get stronger and stronger but it's the warlocks that catch nerf after nerf and I can't figure out why. Hunters are number 1 in everything but even when Bungie "nerfs" them they somehow get stronger because Bungie gives them a stronger alternative. Behemoth's are Behemoth's. Shadebinder is so far behind the other stasis subclasses it's ridiculous. Next up for Warlocks: chaos reach getting the nova warp treatment. Get ready to throw those geo mags in the trash because Bungie is getting ready to massacre them again. After that Warlocks will be relegated to top tree dawnblade pvp and well of radiance for pve. Then they will nerf those too.[/quote] 🤣🤣🤣 "Warlock aren't strong enough waaaaaa" Warlock are the most OP. Always have been. People don't play Warlocks because they're so easy to use, so skill-less, they're dull. I barely play my Warlock due to it's ability to out me to sleep while still winning over other guardians.

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                      • It’s a meme at this point, I knew they were getting nerfed for no reason and just accepted that.... Shout out too all the hunter and titan mains commenting “aLl wARloCKs dO iS ComPlaIN”. Imagine, you get an exotic that is above all others and gets nerfed or disabled within 72 hours... I can count 4 warlock exotics that got this treatment.. then theirs Titans over here using one eyed for damn near a month before a change... I use all 3 and enjoy all 3 BUT I’ll always fall back on warlock (really wish I didn’t... but I do...)

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                      • Yeah, I've been on my Warlock for like a year now. This season I'm playing Titan :/

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                      • All I use is the well, the rest got nerfed into oblivion. Like all the rest , the pvp azzholes complain about.

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                      • Hunter stasis needs a nerf

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                        • I can hear the 70% of the community on their way to shit on you right now. The other 25% will be here soon. Welcome to the 5% bud.

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                        • Prometheum Spurs haven’t been touched because no one touched them after the QA team sent them off to be released into the live game. Solar subclass was terrible for a large portion of D2 and only really changed with existence of well and the pvp usefulness of top tree, but spurs offer nothing in pvp which means they never had a chance to crash anyone’s game since no one would use them. They should have just made it where assembler boots didn’t extend duration of rift since that hardly matters if you use for intended purposes which is healing your team and I’m sure anyone who wanted to use them well chose to use middle tree solar for the lower CD. We should all put on spurs and start crashing games with those now for giggles

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                        • I wouldn't mind chaos reach getting nova warped. I mean, easy for golden gun to seat the gnats. Just overall nerf into toddler stage is sufficient to force warlocks into the better characters. 😘

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