Asking for an alternative route isn't asking for a handout. 50 kills in pvp is nothing for god-tier pvp players. They could probably clear that in 2 matches. It's not a big deal to give players the same opportunities in PvE. After all, both PvP and PvE require the same time investment when it comes to completing activities.

50 kills in pvp is nothing for any average person. If you cant get 50 kills(and all you have to do is have the weapon equipped) then you shouldnt get the catalyst. Just like my example, if i cant beat the Gauntlet, i dont get Drizzt. These quests are already so mind numbingly long because they’ve been reduced to steps that arent even a challenge because apparently Destiny players hate anything that is an actual challenge.

[quote]50 kills in pvp is nothing for any average person. If you cant get 50 kills(and all you have to do is have the weapon equipped) then you shouldnt get the catalyst. Just like my example, if i cant beat the Gauntlet, i dont get Drizzt. These quests are already so mind numbingly long because they’ve been reduced to steps that arent even a challenge because apparently Destiny players hate anything that is an actual challenge.[/quote] 50 kills is nothing [i]if[/i]you're good enough. But that's not the issue. The issue is that the requirements for these catalysts boil down to just busywork. You don't need to play a specific mode to do busywork. So there's no reason why other options to complete objectives like this shouldn't be available. Plus you getting 50 kills isn't challenging. Get 50 in one game, without dying, is.

You missed my entire point. These quests arent challenging anymore because people like you complain if they are. Yes this game is busy work just like every other live service and mmo game.

[quote]You missed my entire point. These quests arent challenging anymore because people like you complain if they are. Yes this game is busy work just like every other live service and mmo game.[/quote] But you aren't making a point. You're just shifting the blame onto the players. There is no plausible reason to force players to do something they don't enjoy. What? You think they'll stay because you told them to deal with it? Of course not. They'll get mad at you for ignoring their complaints like what's happening now. I've already outlined the issues for you and you seem dead set on ignoring them.

I did make a point. Stop demanding developers to cater to you because you dont like something. They are the creators, you’re not.

[quote]I did make a point. Stop demanding developers to cater to you because you dont like something. They are the creators, you’re not.[/quote] Wow, what a travesty. The developers aren't children. They fully understand how toxic this community is. My tone of voice is the least of their concerns. Why don't you go apply to be a moderator if you want to police the forums?

Ever think that YOU are the toxic one. If you want all of the content in the game, play all of the content in the game.