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Edited by Mist3rEcho:
4/16/2021 11:13:06 AM
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So sick of Handcannons & Shotguns...
Crucible is getting worse & worse even when I thought it wasn't possible...
I deeply miss a Destiny 2 crucible with less abilities and more actual gun fight. It was already bad enough before. Stasis has put the level completely underground.
Trials is a waste of time. Rarely you get a peak of players when something good pops up at 3 wins, otherwise it's a place deemed exclusively for paid carries & cheaters & streamers. Bungie, your ordinary players don't enjoy trials. Stop wasting development resources on it.
*I AM SO F#@#@ING TIRED OF HANDCANNONS & SHOTGUNS*
Really I can't stand this state of PvP anymore. Every meta we see always the same 2 types of guns. Every single time.
Which Handcannon is going to be the next meta? Which is going to be the next Felwinter?
ENOUGH!!
What happened to OTHER weapons types? Remember when we used snipers in the crucible? Beloved/Revoker... Pulse rifles? Scout rifles? SMG?
Auto rifles had 1 season in the meta and the usual crying cruci-babies started complaining, made it like a tragedy! Like it was the end of the world. I'm happy to see anything else than handcannons & shotguns... literally anything else.
Aren't you tired of using always the same typenod weapon in PvP? I'm like stone-bored of it.
I'd like to go back to a crucible where you spend most of the time shooting rather than dodging shurikens & granades.
Could we please go back to a crucible where scout rifles perform better than handcannons at range?
I'm tired of hearing always tge same excuses that "using handcannons is high risk high reward" it's just bullshit stop selling lies. Even kids can use handcannons! And it's because they're SO super rewarding that anybody go for that. That's why so many people use them. It's bot because they're all good at it. It's because it's SO easy to make the kill with them!
Let's change this please.
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I'm not sure why some people think this was a complaint about the fact that I'm losing matches against these weapons. [u]Winning/losing matches is *[b]NOT[/b]* the issue here[/u]. I can perfectly win matches running these weapons too or even run running sniper. The problem here is that I am so sick if seeing/using always the same types of weapons in the meta every season. I wish there was more variety in the meta. Seeing different weapons at the top. Scouts/pulses/snipers/smg/fusions ... literally anything but handcannons & shotguns all the time
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I shouldn't be that guy but boy am I going to be THAT guy. Man... I have been annoyed with the special weapon meta for so long and not a single person anywhere cared. If anyone was ever to mention a small change in any capacity it would be, "people like you are the cause of D2 Y1" and look where we are now. Its a topic of talk all of a sudden. People have finally started to realise that this is ridiculous. Of course it might only be shotguns now but soon it'll be fusion rifles, then it'll be all those camping snipers, etc. I cannot wait for things to change but buckle up everyone, I've been waiting years and I'll be waiting years more yet I'm sure. We literally only just got Quickdraw removed from 2 aggressive frame shotguns not that that will make any difference to the usage rate.
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Kinda in the same boat in that I'm tired of Handcannons & Felwinter. Igneous Hammer can 2 tap and Dire Promise can do the same roughly. I always tend to be an advocate for all guns should have the same time yo kill because it makes sense but at the same time I know it's a video game and there should be diversity etc so don't jump on me for that. I will say that Felwinter is a tumor just as bad as Stasis really. I think reintroducing that gun, regardless of throwing some lore, was a mistake. Meanwhile stasis just impacts the game negatively. That's where I'm at. Did a small rant but generally I agree the dominance of Handcanons & Shotguns(Mainly Felwinter's for me) is making crucible a joke and just boring.
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2 RepliesLet me show the way of the future. With the 120 rpm hand cannon, felwinter, and astral nerf coming in hot you are going to want to acquire these weapons and start using them now: DMT with catalyst, vigilance wing, and glaciogasm or similar fusion. Vigilance right now is an absolute beast and can poop all over 120s, DMT doesn’t even need ads to be an absolute lane destroyer, and fusions with good damage/range like glaciogasm and bastion are arguably better in the right hands than the aggressive frame shotties. I stomp pups and I got to glory legend exclusively using vigilance wing this season pre nerfs.
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2 Replies[quote]Crucible is getting worse & worse even when I thought it wasn't possible... I deeply miss a Destiny 2 crucible with less abilities and more actual gun fight. It was already bad enough before. Stasis has put the level completely underground. Trials is a waste of time. Rarely you get a peak of players when something good pops up at 3 wins, otherwise it's a place deemed exclusively for paid carries & cheaters & streamers. Bungie, your ordinary players don't enjoy trials. Stop wasting development resources on it. *I AM SO F#@#@ING TIRED OF HANDCANNONS & SHOTGUNS* Really I can't stand this state of PvP anymore. Every meta we see always the same 2 types of guns. Every single time. Which Handcannon is going to be the next meta? Which is going to be the next Felwinter? ENOUGH!! What happened to OTHER weapons types? Remember when we used snipers in the crucible? Beloved/Revoker... Pulse rifles? Scout rifles? SMG? Auto rifles had 1 season in the meta and the usual crying cruci-babies started complaining, made it like a tragedy! Like it was the end of the world. I'm happy to see anything else than handcannons & shotguns... literally anything else. Aren't you tired of using always the same typenod weapon in PvP? I'm like stone-bored of it. I'd like to go back to a crucible where you spend most of the time shooting rather than dodging shurikens & granades. Could we please go back to a crucible where scout rifles perform better than handcannons at range? I'm tired of hearing always tge same excuses that "using handcannons is high risk high reward" it's just bullshit stop selling lies. Even kids can use handcannons! And it's because they're SO super rewarding that anybody go for that. That's why so many people use them. It's bot because they're all good at it. It's because it's SO easy to make the kill with them! Let's change this please.[/quote] Is just your internet speed or you have a regular ps4 both makes it impossible to win except at the witching hour
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1 Reply[quote]Crucible is getting worse & worse even when I thought it wasn't possible... I deeply miss a Destiny 2 crucible with less abilities and more actual gun fight. It was already bad enough before. Stasis has put the level completely underground. Trials is a waste of time. Rarely you get a peak of players when something good pops up at 3 wins, otherwise it's a place deemed exclusively for paid carries & cheaters & streamers. Bungie, your ordinary players don't enjoy trials. Stop wasting development resources on it. *I AM SO F#@#@ING TIRED OF HANDCANNONS & SHOTGUNS* Really I can't stand this state of PvP anymore. Every meta we see always the same 2 types of guns. Every single time. Which Handcannon is going to be the next meta? Which is going to be the next Felwinter? ENOUGH!! What happened to OTHER weapons types? Remember when we used snipers in the crucible? Beloved/Revoker... Pulse rifles? Scout rifles? SMG? Auto rifles had 1 season in the meta and the usual crying cruci-babies started complaining, made it like a tragedy! Like it was the end of the world. I'm happy to see anything else than handcannons & shotguns... literally anything else. Aren't you tired of using always the same typenod weapon in PvP? I'm like stone-bored of it. I'd like to go back to a crucible where you spend most of the time shooting rather than dodging shurikens & granades. Could we please go back to a crucible where scout rifles perform better than handcannons at range? I'm tired of hearing always tge same excuses that "using handcannons is high risk high reward" it's just bullshit stop selling lies. Even kids can use handcannons! And it's because they're SO super rewarding that anybody go for that. That's why so many people use them. It's bot because they're all good at it. It's because it's SO easy to make the kill with them! Let's change this please.[/quote] Actually that just means it's off balance, i am sick of paint spectrum for this shit speed, i can't kill anything it kills me easily
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Don’t like it? Don’t play it.
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Im sick of stasis in crucible, that is the real broken nonsense. It gives who ever using it an unfair advantage. It freezes people and slows them. The grenades can insta freeze you and take you out of your super.
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3 RepliesScout rifles do outperform hand cannons at range, but there's only like 2 places on any map where you can actually get out of HC range. They just need to make some big open long range maps, but they won't.
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We need more larger maps that would increase the usage rates of other weapons.
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1 ReplyThe core of your problem is bad matchmaking. What is the tool compared to the hand that wields it ????
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2 RepliesYes let's change this please. Stop complaining about PvP. It's not a competitive shooter. It's not CoD, battlefield, unreal tournament, doom, or quake. It's destiny. It's a space magic shooter. Stop taking pvp seriously.
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Upvote if you believe in hand cannon supremacy 😎
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9 RepliesThen don't use meta? V wing, MIDA, and a whole bunch of other stuff is just as good. Overused doesn't mean overpowered
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2 RepliesI feel your pain, but if the weapons work, there's really no excuse to NOT use them. Every PvPer knows that people who use Jotunn, or Bastion have no self respect, and lack skill (I kid of course) but there are still those that use them. I use HC's because it gives me range and great crit damage, and shotguns for close range. But then again, it does take a lot of skill - otherwise, everyone would have gotten Luna's Howl. Remember, when using HC's, you still have to aim. They're not spray and pray like Auto's, or SMG's. For every meta, there is an abundance of skilled players who overcome it with their own strategies, tactics, and team play. Complaining about weapons only exacerbates that you are complaining for the sake of complaining instead of approaching your play in a different manner
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Mad cuz bad
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1 ReplyI bet you if bungie removes the ability for hand cannons to deal flinch, they would actually be balanced.
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1 Replyget good and stop complaining about stuff that is actually in the game and start complaining about the hackers on PC
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1 ReplyNobody is stopping you from using other weapons, most archetypes are viable.
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Edited by jonpall: 4/12/2021 5:46:45 PMThere are genuinely so many other loadouts you can use that are just as good if not better and harder to play against. Play comp or trials and half the people you match will be using dead mans tale or a GL, or both. I match people all the time in rumble who use bows, bastion, fusions, pulse rifles on controller and so on who are all borderline unbeatable in a one-on-one fight. Hand cannons and shotguns are arguably the most mechanically demanding weapons in the game but if you dont have the mechanical skill there are dozens of other things you can use to make up for it. This game's MO in PvP is giving bad players tools to compete and lowering the skillgap as much as possible, I mean look they just nerfed quickdraw which only benefitted good players with fast reaction time and was only oppressive to people with bad awareness. It's not a bad thing, Im beyond thinking this game is competitive, but if you arent good the game you can still compete because the game hands you things to use on a golden platter.
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5 RepliesOuch, the new meta just started again. Might need to take a break for a while if it's a deal breaker.
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be the change. start a meta. be good with something else.
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3 RepliesEdited by BRAZACK: 4/12/2021 11:36:53 AMHandcannons were fine and still are but the 120s are the ones that two crit with certain perks. I dont mind them though because it requires aiming rather than spraying and praying. Certain auto archetypes are still competitive(600rpms). Suros is always good, hardlight and monte carlo are also good. The high impact/slow rpm autos need some love. Shotguns, telesto and bastion are annoying though, these are the weapons that need adjustment(bastion is already getting an adjustment). I remember when bows used to be competitive but nowadays i die b4 i can get my second shot off. So i shoot one arrow and finish with a hc or auto.
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5 RepliesCries autos had 1 meta( which in wrong) Uriel’s Gift and Gnawing/Suros Then Complains all HC’s are “too easy”. 120’s are too easy. I can’t wait for a 140 meta where you actually have to hit your crits.
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RegretCater to casuals! - old
Hand cannons should be good short to mid range... which for maps in rotation should mean a max range of 25m... Thing is people crutch them so hard the salt would be real if they actually did that
