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Edited by hate n payne:
3/19/2021 3:22:30 AM
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PVP is extremely boring now
Why is everyone in QP acting like they are competing for the Trials wannabe E-sports championships?
There are zero engagements unless:
Players are waiting on their Stasis abilities to be use before an actual gunfight.
Players are waiting for another teammate to teamshoot or teamrush.
Players are avoiding any gunfights period because they are preserving for super energy.
There is rarely any diversity with loadouts. Most Hunters for sure are rocking the exact same loadouts. If you think for a second it is, check the Trials report then go into QP because I guarantee the same loadouts you see on that report are the same ones being abused or overused.
The META needs to go from the game. We dont need it because all it does is cancel out any means on actual skillful gunfights or diversity in the game. This can be seen with each new season that comes. A certain archetype gets buff while others dont therefore creating a META that eventually gets nerfed in the next season or left behind for a future one.
The Crucible has gotten worse and worse since the Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten era and honestly I would rather go back to that. Players actually contested you more often than farming for their precious kd in a non competitive game mode.
Honestly I would rather go back to a double primaries era. Here we are with special weapons and decently powered primaries and players are extremely scared to contest in an actual gunfight without some ability or teammate.
When did we get this low in skill and individuality? I honestly blame the reintroduction of Trials. It seems like when Bungie bought that game mode back, most players lost the concept of any individual skill or ability to think on their own without relying on each other for kills in a non competitive game mode or just simply playing a shooter. I feel like streamers contribute the nonsense as well with their guides and recommendations.
Why are streamers providing guides to players about how to perform in PVP? The best way to play PVP or any shooter is trial and error yet most players are getting handouts via Twitch and Youtube. We have fell so low in gaming nowadays that it is sad to even call most players in any video game actual “Gamers”.
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1 Reply[quote]The META needs to go from the game. [/quote] If you are waiting until there won't be something that is better than anything else you'll be pretty disappointed. [quote]There is rarely any diversity with loadouts. [/quote] Then do it yourself. I love to play novabomb or stormtrance with sidearms, fusions or trace rifles and I still perform well.
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4 RepliesI prefer getting frozen over getting peppered by brainless auto rifle spam.
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8 RepliesI think I'm gonna be a Le Monarque main. Just need to figure out what I pair with it 🤔
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3 RepliesYou know something is wrong when going up against a 3 or 6 stack behemoth titans or S&S Hunters. That subclass is crutching so hard it isn’t even funny. Being a warlock instantly places you at a disadvantage and using anything other than the same 3 boring weapons will Also result in a loss unless you can use whatever else that isn’t felwinter/120 HC combo. PvP matchmaking is Also horrendous where people who just stepped foot into crucible Will match against the top 1% elites who has never seen the lick of daylight since they were born, as they proceed to bag and emote for king and country at the poor blueberry that wanted to try out something different other than what’s meta.
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8 RepliesI dive in with my nightstalker, Gemini jesters & breachlight in 6’s. Right in the middle of a team. Normally I get absolutely toasted but on the odd occasion I get a good few picks. It’s a hell of a lot of fun though. Never gets old
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9 RepliesStasis ruined pvp. The funny part is that stasis is only top tier in pvp. Light bases subclasses are way better in pve.
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4 RepliesThey're in there because they need digital validation to fill the void they're not receiving in real life and they're not good enough to compete in pvp games the general gaming community actually takes seriously.
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1 ReplyEdited by V21075: 3/21/2021 11:10:53 AMThe biggest issue with PVP is the size of the player base, not enough people are playing PVP generally, this causes you to run into players of higher skill levels more frequently. This is exacerbated by the removal of SBMM, as now there is no filter between the higher skilled players and the lower skilled ones like me (yes, I am not great at PVP). Outside of that though, Bungie, going back as far as Luna and Not Forgotten have a terrible habit of boom and bust balancing, they will introduce things like Luna or Not Forgotten, make them available to the highest skilled players first, they are used constantly, then get nerfed into the ground, once they are nerfed, then everyone else can get their hands on it, except its not the same gun, by then they’ve moved to the next ridiculous weapon (at the moment 120’s are just dumb) soon enough they will nerf those into the ground and something else will take it place. The game lurches from one meta to the next, in a cycle of “must use this” to be competitive. There is no diversity in the game as there is no room for it. Want to be competitive in PVP? You must use 120’s stasis and Felwinter, as an example. I like to use a pulse rifle, so I do, which means I get minced because the meta does not allow players below a certain threshold to be successful if they don’t use the guns that are deemed meta for the current season. PVP has been largely ignored for 2 years, no new maps, no proper balancing, CBMM has been bad for the mode’s population, the introduction of stasis shows how little they even consider PVP, you build a game around movement and supers and then introduce a class that simply freezes you, Eh…WTF? I don’t believe that the PVP side of the game is play tested, if it isn’t that is negligent, if it is, well then that’s incompetence.
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3 RepliesDon't worry the fusion nerf is coming I promise.
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1 ReplyUsually for me it's the same 6-10 people curb stomping everyone. Matchmaking is working a treat. NOT! Either 6 stacks or the top 1% or 2%. There's no fun in any of it. Never really was fun actually. Do the 3 games, get pinnacle and that's enough till next week.
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4 RepliesI play pvp to have fun. And I'm behind on Uncharted 4 PVP. No idea what's going on.
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1 ReplyNo shit Sherlock.
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1 ReplyI agree that PvP is boring for a lot of reasons you listed... but even way before stasis flooded the arenas. A lot of those scenarios were improved upon from the d1 trials days when thousands would do everything to improve.. and those solo or double carry players always insisted that you stick together and team shoot in order to hopefully win. “Meta” weapons are fun. In pve. They hit the hardest and kill the fastest. “Meta” weapons are usually time consuming to obtain the perfect rolls.. And then they want to play to show off said items. This is a part of marketing. Marketing is a huge factor of destiny’s existence. This gets players to buy seasons etc. Go into any stream of destiny and you will ALWAYS see interested players spouting off their “god rolls”... My point in case. No one wants to lose. Going in with a random legendary puts you at a disadvantage. “Weapon skill” is not destiny. It is a part of destiny. “Skill” is a persons ability to adept and over come obstacles to better perform in whatever it is they are doing. A game of chess is simple, but yet “skilled” players outplay their opponents mentally... not just with the props on the board. Destiny is a ton of scenarios put into one package... But a players skill raises or lowers them accordingly.
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5 RepliesI miss when off meta loadouts were viable. I remember friends and I went flawless one weekend all using well of radiance with lumina, just endlessly chaining rifts and grenades and it was so much fun. Doing that now we would never win a game. It feels like you have to be using SOMETHING meta if you want to stand a chance nowadays. Last week I got shadow price and was excited to try it but off meta stuff just isnt fun anymore because stasis will always be the best subclass by far and 120s will always be the best weapons with no competition.
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6 RepliesRemove stomp-ees. That'll solve a lot
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3 RepliesAlways has been
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1 ReplyNow? Its been boring for the past few seasons. PC LFG discord is just "Need 5 for Sweaty Control Stack" at this point lol
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1 Reply3 matches is my absolute limit.
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12 RepliesCbmm at its finest, you got good players bringing there meta weapons into matches with players less skilled then them so they can have fun. Season of arrivals started the down hill fall and it's just continuing on and on.
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19 RepliesEdited by Dubufu: 3/20/2021 3:15:16 PM[quote]Why is everyone in QP acting like they are competing for the Trials wannabe E-sports championships?[/quote] Because the matchmaking forces them to be as solo players. If you are even somewhat decent, the game constantly decides to give you horrid teammates, while at the same time, puts you up against a stack. At that point, the only way to have fun is to try your hardest to beat them, and creates a really unhealthy environment where you are attempting to carry 4-5 people every match. This is why I ONLY run 6 stacks these days. Full of trusted players.
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3 RepliesEdited by RussellMania: 3/19/2021 6:25:13 PM[quote]We have fell so low in gaming nowadays that it is sad to even call most players in any video game actual “Gamers”.[/quote] This. I often find myself thinking this when my opponent in a game is camping, running away constantly, abusing cheesy tactics, or something along those lines that just makes me roll my eyes and say “Bro are you actually tryna play? I thought the point was to fight other players and see who’s better.” And it isn’t just casuals either, many hardcore players with high stats play like this. Like what ever happened to competition? Btw idk how you can blame streamers making guides... I really dislikes most streamers, but idk how them making guides is responsible for people playing like pansies nowadays.
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5 RepliesUnfortunately not everything mentioned here can be dealt with. There are some more obvious solutions like changing Stasis, which to be fair. They are tweaking stasis for pvp but still I don’t think it’s in the right ways but just my opinion. Majority of the other stuff ya mentioned is just frustrating and constantly changing meta. It’s very hard not to have a meta.
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1 Replyi just go in and screw around for 3 matches. unless its MAYHEM!!!
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1 ReplyIt’s boring because it’s a shithole
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3 RepliesWe need to see what the hell this "Matter" game is. Bungie needs a fresh start IMO. This game is scarred.
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7 RepliesBungie needs to learn that guns having different TTK's will create a huge gap in certain archetype usage. If it were up to me, every primary would have the same TTK. Every gun type and every archetype of said gun type would all have the same TTK. But that's too good of a solution for Bungie. So they will continue to create a definitive meta and have to listen to us complain about it.
