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Edited by michael:
3/2/2021 5:48:44 PM
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Hammer charges too much work for not enough reward?
Anyone else feel like the game play loop of this season, doing battlegrounds to get hammer charges to focus umbrals into seasonal loot, is way too unrewarding? You get no more than one hammer charge per battleground, which takes like 10 minutes, and it costs 3 hammer charges to focus ONE tier 2 engram which is still a 50/50 of the weapon you want? So you can spend 30 minutes doing battlegrounds just to get the weapon you dont want?
Initially i thought for sure this would be fixed by upgrading the chart at the war table, but it's all for stuff like more cabal gold and holding more hammer charges at a time but nothing about actually getting more hammer charges which are the driving commodity required for getting loot. This just doesn't make sense and leaves me with no reason to even look at the tier 2 or 3 focusing options.
Say I want to get a far future. I can spend 3 hammer charges on a far and lethal engram that has a 50/50 chance of being a far future, so if I spend 6 hammer charges on two I theoretically will get at least one. But if I instead just focus 6 chosen arms engrams, each of which has a 1/6 chance of being a far future, I still have a theoretical probability of getting one, except when I focus chosen arms I can get any of the other weapons instead of just the bow.
In season of arrivals you could focus each umbral you got for basically free. Now you need a rare activity based currency that is so poorly balanced that its value is completely disproportionate to how time consuming it is to get.
This season is really good but the umbral focusing table is totally out of touch and definitely needs work.
EDIT: since people want to argue about my lack of understanding of the theory of probability, here is an actual calculation and why I didnt do it at first.
(1/2)^2 = 25% chance of not getting the gun you want from two tier 2s.
(5/6)^6 = 33% chance of not getting the gun from six tier 1s. A marginal difference for the same price.
We don't know exactly how bungie's RNG works but if you actually want to sit down and properly calculate the probability based on the numbers we have, the system is still broken. Yes, I oversimplified it and made the gambler's error because I was lazy but it doesn't really matter, the difference is 8%
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Edited by Razgriz03264: 3/4/2021 10:19:49 AM'Too much work and not enough reward' could be the alternate title for D2
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There are upgrades for runes that give you multiple hammer charges per battlegrounds at the cost of more cabal gold.. I know they are at the left side though don't remember the column. Honestly though we are still at the beginning of the season let's give it a few more weeks as I'm thinking there might be something that will gives us even more charges...could also be those upgrades are it though but idk since only 4 resets have happened so far.
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4 RepliesI like taking that 1301 Umbral engram and "Focusing" it to 1299. Yeah, thats awesome
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4 RepliesI told people that the Umbral Recaster was not gonna be worth it, i was called a hater
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Edited by Freak: 3/3/2021 4:41:42 PMAgreed. Several problem with them. They take too long to charge and focus and honestly you’re probably going to get the perks you want before we finish upgrading the whole thing anyway. So the entire system becomes pointless. It’s just a horrible designed remodel. And it’s to the point where I spend zero time on it. Not worth the time.
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I don't mind it, but I don't love it either. I prefer the Wrathborn loot selection model, choosing a specific armour peice to drop. I know you can focus engrams but it's still RnG whether you get the item you want, let alone the perks/stats.
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Yup. I am done with Battlegrounds already. I just turn the embryo engrams in and whatever random loot I get is fine. Too grindy for almost no reward.
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Considering it's a new activity, you'd think it would drop a pinnacle. At my level, Bungie have made it pointless.
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4 RepliesYou can get up to 3 hammer charges per run if you level up the left side of the hammer grid.
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I've already started just dismantling my Umbral Engrams directly in my inventory. The activity sucks, just a horde mode with yet another artificially health gated boss that just drags the already boring experience out. I really hate the seasonal model this game has adopted.
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4 RepliesTL;DR, it’s the seasonal activity. It’s literally the same trash every season. Go play gambit, strikes, or crucible to get charges go do activity. Then go play the crap you don’t want to play, again, to get another charge Long story short they have force us to grind for power levels for so long ALL activities suck now. We have over played them because of FOMO. They sucked the fun aspect out of the game and now they have to create ways to force people to play. A game should be fun, enjoyable, and rewarding. You should want to do Trails, MNF, the Raid but they are usually just too much work for honestly nothing in return
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I agree. I did unlock Proving Rune III. That gives a *chance* to get an additional hammer charge by smashing the chest. Haven’t tried it out to see what that chance is; but it appears just doing the tier one focusing is the better deal.
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Definitely. No reason to even bother with this activity anymore. I mean you have to run it 5 times I think and you don’t even get a pinnacle...... but you get a pinnacle from 3 strikes or gambit??? Plus I get so many umbral engrams it’s ridiculous. I have actually start deleting them so my post master wouldn’t get flooded. They made it way to easy to just cash them in and get new weapons. Have god rolls on almost all of them with very little effort.
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If you actually do the math on Focusing you'll realise that focusing is actually bad. The entire activity is balanced wrong and there's no reason to do it. Just take the engrams to the recaster and do the no-charges weapon or armor focus and just open that. Stop doing it, you're literally wasting time. Just do the ones required for the quests to progress the story and don't use charges.
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I Said This At The Beginning Of The Season. It Just Like Any Other Season. Just Grind The Same Stuff Over And Over. Till The Next Expansion. With No Real Rewards.
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1 ReplyToo much wasted time for trash rewards. But then again, it's always been this way, so meh, business as usual.
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Its sucks running strikes all the time. Should be a better way to charge them faster.
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Hell yeah typical bungie. We like menagerie they give us two cheap versions vex offensive and the saint 14 crap. We like umbral engrams they give them back with way more work involved. Just stop playing battlegrounds and turn them into just the seasonal reward one cost no hammer charges. The worst part of all of it is they could have just given us the same system as menagerie but instead we just run battlegrounds and give two drops everytime we crack the chest. It’s like the people at bungie refuse to let the community enjoy the game. 1 step forward 2 steps back. It’s the bungie way.
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1 ReplyDamn son, I haven’t fully unlocked my upgrades yet being start of week 4 and all but I’ll take your word for it that this whole loot system is flawed! Maybe wait until it’s fully functional and firing on all cylinders bearing in mind it’s supposed to last a while season. Or then again, it is optional and worthiness is subjective! You want that gun hard enough, then you’ll do it. If not then that’s cool.
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2 RepliesYep... I love the recaster, but hate the hammer. The old recaster was better.
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All i have to say is... the Drifter had it right from the start. But of course, bungo couldn't make it the way it was, give us all that power to farm god rolls again? No. So they threw this new system so we spent more time on those god rolls farms, cause you know bungo's motto: "Content = Grind".
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3 Repliesthis is honestly the season of the timegating. Can only upgrade the HELM table 3 upgrades a week as bungie says so Hell, even the presage scannables are locked behind when they released it. I stumbled onto everything on my first run but wasn't allowed to scan because of "reasons"
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1 ReplyThey should just remove cabal gold and give hammer charges for completing activities. They continue to insist on having too many effing currencies.
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I can bring myself to engage in this shitty seasonal 'content.' Im done complaining about it. It sucks. It isnt fun. It is boring. Bungie knows this.
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My upgrades are set up so I get multiple charges on runs I get plenty of gold from anything now so if I can get more loot faster as I am but so far just picking the weapons umbrals has worked a treat no hammer charges were needed for rolls I kept
