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Edited by Griever: 2/23/2021 12:20:01 AM
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Bungie, do you even play Trials? Have you even gone Flawless?

Hackers aside, the biggest problem is how Trials MM works. On paper, it makes sense to put players on their (insert win on that card here) against others like them, but in practice, it means people who have gone Flawless 8 times that week can be paired against people who have never gone Flawless even in D1. Of course, I shouldn't have to tell you that since you intentionally designed it like that. A system like that almost sets people up for failure because all most players can do is hope the enemy team isn't as good, otherwise many will feel like they have to switch to loadouts they don't like such as Arbalest or a shotgun rushing build because it's so effective (went against 3 different teams using each in one night before giving up). The card MM system does set it up to feel more competitive, there's no denying that, after all, what would you expect to make people play harder? Two teams on their 6th win with 0 losses, or a team with 5 wins against a team that's just starting out? By default, it's already a flawed system just because of what I said above. I do believe it would be better with SBMM and no one can see the other team's streak, I probably would've been Flawless finally if I didn't get paired against people who play so cheaply that it's not much better than cheating. However, then comes what you people define as "skill". K/D ratio? Team K/D? ELO? Team ELO? KA/D? Team KA/D W/L ratio? Current winstreak? I can easily go into detail about how most of these wouldn't work. Beyond the emblem that turns the gold red and 3 or 4 weapons, there's no real motivation for me to go into it. The problem though will either be search times or the one that exists right now and that players won't get better if they keep being forced to play against others who are significantly better every other match or play like I mentioned above. You could put people who have gone Flawless against others like them, but this wouldn't work either (accounts, not characters, make carries and recovs a little harder by implementing this on groups with even one player who has gone Flawless). The reason is because of search times and the fact that was one of, if not THE reason you removed SBMM. With that said, both parties would have longer search times, top it off with how the card system works and you'll be in orbit longer with each win. Then when you finally do go Flawless after your 10th card, you're stuck playing against the super tryhards who go Flawless on every other card if they're unlucky. So for many players, they'd just get the Flawless reward and then probably grind the 3-5 wins until they get good rolls for those if they're worth grinding. If you intend to keep Trials, what you need to do is stop trying to keep it as "competitive" as it is because it isn't at all. There's no competition to be had between a team on their 8th Flawless in a row and a team struggling to reach 4 without losing. If it was SBMM, people wouldn't have too much trouble reaching the Lighthouse, but as long as it's locked behind an extremely flawed MM system, players gatekeeping, and in some cases, paywalls (paid carries and recovs that you should look into profiting from at this point). You want players to keep trying, but would you want to keep trying if you went against players on their 20th Flawless card that week every 2-4 matches? They're not getting better, and they're essentially in the Destiny equivalent of Overwatch's "forever gold" going up against Masters/ Grandmasters and Top 500s (coming from a guy who's placed in plat every season I played and was 1 win away from Diamond). The other option is to make good alternatives to be earned in PVE with the possibility of pinnacle perks or otherwise unique combinations, especially when people grinded their a**** off for weapons like Redrix, only for them to be sunsetted, then for the pinnacle perk(s)/ combinations to be put back in, but time gated and locked behind many walls: Trials has Messenger with (insert barrel/ mag), Rapid Hit, and Desperado? Reprise a weapon like Horror's Least (make an adept version) and give it a roll like Rangefinder and Killing Wind or switch up the pinnacle part and put Magnificent Howl on it. Trials has Igneous Hammer and can get maxed range? Reprise a weapon like Warden's Law (adept version too, change firing mode to be similar to double barrels in games like Warframe) or make a 180 with Timed Payload and Explosive Rounds (flinch machine). If you're not going to fix the game mode you put-what? Two years in bringing back only to release it "half-baked" like you said you wouldn't and make it unrewarding at that to everyone who isn't able to go Flawless to no fault of their own in most, if not every case, you need to put good alternatives in other pinnacle activities like Master and Grandmaster NFs. Trials isn't getting better, there's less motivation to attempt Flawless each season, and waiting weeks or months to grind a weapon just causes people to lose more interest. Edit: I find it funny how many people are trying to say I'm asking for a handout by wanting SBMM while others are seriously trying to tell me to just not lose or get better when probably the only thing any of them have on me is reaching the Lighthouse. I can guarantee my skill isn't an issue, if anything, all I'd need to do is switch to a playstyle I'm not used to because I hate said playstyle. I wouldn't be surprised if most of those people were carried or even paid for it from what I've seen.
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    Get the bounty on all three characters then just jump off the map. Ten matches take about 45 min so your done in 2 hours and 15 min. We did this Sunday and I got so much hate from the low life POS sweaty cowards about their ELO ratings and how I ruined their fun by denying them the ability to take advantage of me. The communications were so full of hate and rage that I laughed and laughed. One rant was so profanity laced that after I reported them to Microsoft they got banned for 24 hours. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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    • They play and when normal players find a weapon they can consistently beat them, the streamers, and the cheaters with that weapon and/or guardian build either gets nerfed or sunset.

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    • They do go flawless... Being carried. Check their twitter profiles. Always thanking tryhards and content creators for carrying them. For free of course... Definitely not for advertising them.

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      • DMG plays all the time with top streamers and then tweets about his “bread” like it’s this achievable thing for anyone.... anyone who sucks off top level streamers. Meanwhile the rest of us, those not willing to suck off anyone, despite the loot potential, can only shake our heads at how “in touch” our current community manager is. Nice bread DMG... now how’s the taste in your mouth? Oh? You like it. Good for you.

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        • Trials should just die again. Worst part of destiny by far. Even worse than sunsetting.

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            The simple reason trials doesnt have sbmm is because all the sweats would cry too hard that they have to sweat every game. Like they did back when sbmm was actually a thing in pvp. Funnily enough they like being matched against players of a much lower skill level and stomping them into the ground.

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            • They don't even play the game

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              • 1. You're complaints are legitimate. Every TRULY hardcore competitive pursuit has some degree of skill-matching. Its why you don't see NFL football teams beating up on the local high school teams. They play other pros. 2. But you have to understand is that Trials was NEVER set up to be truly competitive. It was set up to be PREDATORY. To allow the best pvp players to prey upon weaker players for fun-and-prizes, while largely AVOIDING playing each other. 3. Ever since Rise of Iron back in D1, Trials has been painfully unrewarding. Especially to players of average skill and lower. They get served up to get curb stomped by the top 5%...and largely get little more than a kick-in-the-teeth for their time and the abuse they take. Which is why the game has been self-destructing at regular intervals. ever since. Without average players to prey upon, the game's format stops working. There aren't enough players in the pool to make MM work....and without average players filling up that pool, the talent is so concentrated that Trials become super sweaty and the difficulty in going flawless sky rockets. Which of course, creates the market for cheating, carries, account recoveries, etc. Which just makes an already broken game mode even worse. Unlike you, I don't play Trials....so at the end of the day I have no dog in this fight either way. But I've been here long enough to see what's wrong, why its always in trouble..... ...and why it never gives an enjoyable play experience to anyone but the very best players....and often not even to them.

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                • They only play when they get carried for a stream

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                • As far as I know, bungie will play trials with streamers.

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                • This. All of it. I got the jackal helm (thanks to a clan mate) and 2 weapons from trials and haven't legit wanted to go back in at all. There simply isn't any incentive to go in and play Trials for anyone looking to get in. I don't want "free loot" and for sure i don't want a carry or handout. The best crucible matches i've had since forsaken dropped have been the ones where it's SUPER close. Like, on the edge of my seat close. Win or lose, those are the most fun for me. The worst matches.... they've ALWAYS been the Trials matches where the opposing team blasts through my squad like tissue paper.

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                • They do if they’re with GrenaderJake. Looking at you dmg 😂

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                • If they have it was in a testing field where they can put any weapon armor on without having to play the game

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                • They don't want sbmm because they don't want even matches, sweats fear in game equality.

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                • THIS BUNGIE. THIS. ALL OF IT. Well said brother

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                • Nothing more depressing than going on your seventh game, only to match up with top diamond 1.8-2.4 kd players that are just sweating this weekend on their fifth flawless.

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                • Couldn't agree more. I am above average in pvp, not great but I can hold my own usually. Trials sucks. Almost every game is a shitstomp by 3 players with flawless/unbroken titles and nothing but felwinter's and arbi, or a sniper who literally doesn't miss. Been 6-0 before on a mercy card, excited to maybe get my first flawless, and the next 3 teams were: the one team that had beaten us earlier on our card (5-0), a team on their 11th win so far, and another team of flawlesses who ofc stomped us. It feels awful to play trials like that, I wish they'd do something about it.

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                • Of course Bungie has gone Flawless,my guess is they are the paid sherpas making side cash. Theres such rampant cheating i cant waste my time anymore.

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                • You do realize that you’re not going to find many casuals on these forums. So the backlash is understandable They say get good, but they don’t want to play against players that are just as good as them. They don’t want to get even better. They want to stomp on the casual players

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                  • Edited by Codykins: 2/23/2021 7:54:06 AM
                    [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oHDfwLeNpo]This got recommended in my Youtube Feed[/url] a little earlier today while I was at work, and while I tend to shy away from streamers, I couldn't help but watch this video; [b] [i]some ultra-sweats apparently destroyed DMG in a Trials game using bug abuse, tea-bagged, and slapped it all over social media in a slanderous way.[/i][/b] While I don't condone the behavior, it just shows a perfect example of how gross Trials currently is compared to how it was in D1, let alone how hideously toxic the playlist itself is, and will hopefully serve as an eye-opener even more for them to eventually and inevitably do [u][i]something.[/i][/u] I went flawless more times than I can remember in Destiny 1, and more-so again in 'Trials of the Nine' in D2, but after migrating to PC and dipping my toes back into the water after they brought Trials of Osiris back so that I could get 'The Scholar' scout rifle, I refuse to even go near that cesspool playlist now; I can't even tell you how many times I got paired against teams that had already gone flawless / were on a 10+ win-streak when I hadn't even started my card yet.

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                    • Can you get banned for hosting ghost lobbies?

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                      • It's obvious that the most ppl here they don't know how Trials MM works If you want to blame them for something blame them cause they don't have any anti-cheat in the game.

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                      • Of course they do, they have the "Konami code" of Destiny... they have the "Game Genie" if you will.... we see Bungie employees in the wild all the time, you, me and Lucky10P cannot name them for fear of a slap on the wrist from a ninja...

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                      • I've just kinda accepted that I'm never getting into the trials playlist or going to the lighthouse. If DMG wants to ask grenadier and frost for a carry for loot, he can do him. But I'm not too bothered. I know that the first 3 wins are fine, you get lucky on the 4th, then get your ass kicked on the fifth. The fundamentals of trials are kinda exclusive from the get-go. You need 3 friends. Don't have any? Too bad. On lfg you will either get noobs who hope for a carry (i don't blame em) or the soliciting post that the mods straight up ignore. even if you join the biggest clan advertised on this site, you'll be ignored and disregarded outside of your first playsesson.

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                      • "Sbmm trials" ok you dont realise that removes the entire thing of the gamemode. Sbmm is pure garbage and should burn in hell. Sbmm more like any decent player faces people from china.

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                      • Trials are the best trade Bungie put in place for streamers. Bungie wants the game to be watchable, but without trials around the viewers are at 3k to 7k, with over half fake viewers, and the rest mostly pillars. Without trials being so sweaty Bungie wouldn’t have anything to give to their PRs. Remember that they’re all under NDA. This is no La la land but a business that has no third party editor or publisher. If you want anything to change you have to stop playing these activities or the game altogether, and stop watching subbing and the likes, which is not happening.

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