Enjoy 15-20 minute matchmaking queues in rumble.

CBMM is not the reason that PvP numbers are dropping. It's Stasis. Additionally, SBMM encourages ostracizing friends who aren't on the same skill level because either, a) you want to win matches and so you don't want friends that can't keep up, or b) your less-skilled friends don't want to play with you because they tire quickly of getting steamrolled by the sweats that you match with. The latter of which has happened to me. I'm no top 1% player, but I'd like to think I'm decent at least. I have some friends that aren't so great, and they got tired of playing with me because we would always match players where they just couldn't compete. They got tired of putting up 0.5 efficiency ratings every match and being slaughtered, and eventually I had only a select few friends who wanted to do crucible with me rather than on their own. It kinda sucks how it encourages friends to not play together. That's why CBMM is the better choice.

Whatever gives the best hit detection, because right now, CBMM ain't cutting it. Bad hit detection literally makes one feel helpless. And for some reason, it's as if its baked into the game. The game seems to throttle.

You want to talk about the health of the game? Then stop contributing to this absurd tug-a-war. You're trying to appeal to people who literally would only get far by playing bots on recruit, providing literally no essence of challenge that even seeds improvement. There's literally nothing to learn at that stage. Obviously, overbearing challenge is also bad because it is discouraging by nature, but it always seems like you guys are making CBMM to be the devil for more reasons than even fair. All the little nuances that make up the PvP seem to get shoved aside in favor of scapegoating the Matchmaking's priority search setting. Team Balancing doesn't nearly get talked about enough, which can easily predetermine games before they begin if crap is just that uneven. Matchmaking can literally only work with what it given, you cannot just magically pull enough similarly skilled players in all brackets such that everyone gets competitively "fair" games consistently. That's the main job of SBMM, something that literally cannot be fulfilled, especially given the state of Destiny. People want to parade the something something "800k people in PvP that day", but it speaks nothing of player population consistency. A simple number tells nothing about who those people, what they are doing, or how long they played. Gone is the player population count that actually told you how many people were playing at that moment. Hell, all there is to say about the Crucible Matchmaking is "Searching for Guardians, Evaluating Guardians, and Starting with you just sitting there watching a fraction of 12 slowly reach 1. Information is barren and a daily grand total is too general to be indicative of anything. Only concurrent player info is Steam Charts, but it's only PC. (50K played in the Last Day, now how much touched Crucible?) Really consider Destiny's history, consider other arena PvPs, consider any reason you could imagine why there would be a case of a single good player ruling over free for all. The Crucible has almost been a joke for its entire existence. Even now, there's literally no value in it. Trials might have given a huge spark almost 6 years ago, but that crap faded not even a month in for anyone not a sweaty junkie. The only good week was the very first because the meta never ruled the people so hard until then and it's only gotten worse. Crucible may as well be like a team deathmatch in Overwatch (since most power is just literal cheese) where everyone is picking the same meta(/cheesiest) person, that's all anyone wants to be anyway, carbon copies. Shocker to no one that this is boring and unenjoyable, now combined with the complete nonexistence of a reason to put yourself through that in Destiny today, and you have no one playing because there is no reason to need to. Even then this doesn't provide a reason to WANT to. PvP can't live off people only there as a chore. You'd get a Warframe's Conclave situation where there's no significant reason to ever bother with the PvP ever (quality aside) and the mode dies such that Matchmaking literally is unable to function. Bottom line, when there are no reasons to play Crucible, no one plays, simple reality. The next issue is getting people to still do so when there are reasons, and in case no one's ever noticed, there's not a whole lot to enjoy about the Crucible apart from cheesing people, hence my Overwatch comparison. Gameplay satisfaction is solely derived from some cheap ass way of beating someone else. Be it the shotgunner with enough damage on their kneepads to suggest they do other things with them, the sniper who shrills at denying choke points with the lowest zoom scopes and easiness of sudden one-shot kills on people passing corners, the Titans who cannot get enough of bashing people in with their whole body, the Hunters that are secretly Rabbits, and the Warlocks with some magical instant pocket sand of death or the Scary Fire sword, etc. I'll even own it, my main weapon in whatever PvP I dabble with anymore is a Bow with WALL HACKS. There is so much to not like about PvP, my friends hated it to no end back when they still played simply because it sucked. If we cannot admit to ourselves that it has always sort of sucked, then we are being delusional. This isn't Call of Duty when the only real time to get annoyed at dying is when it's literal spawn killing, you failed at some challenge you were after, or some pesky camper is getting away with it for too long. If this were the old and golden days of Halo, being the King of FFA would just be the way of the land, you demonstrated a better ability to finish 20 people before everyone else and that was that, congrats you were the better* player. You cannot slap Skill prioritized matchmaking all over, and even though that isn't requested here, I know that's what some of you want. Destiny is not competitively viable, is built upon cheese, and is inherently pointless or unenjoyable wayy before you even talk about the Matchmaking. You cannot rationally boil all of this to be the fault of CBMM and that lesser engagement means that SBMM is just gonna fix it, correlation is not causation. Realities need to be accepted and I'm starting to think the SBMM train has completely derailed from that track if the sole desire for it is because CBMM is evil and the only people that really want it around want to pubstomp and pad their stats so they can flash their coolness on Youtube. It should be no surprise to anyone that the majority of Destiny's player base are blueberries, I mean, you can't even throw a teammate a charge in The Corrupted's elevator and expect them to save that for the shielded guys, I will guarantee that the psions get dunked on without hesitation. I'm bordering toxic now, but it's almost an apparent reality that these players do not learn/do not care to. Sticking them in a safe space with each other is hardly doing them any favors when it comes to learning, especially when they have nothing to offer each other. Have you seen the clips of what the low level lobbies in overturned SB cod look like? I'm truly amazed I even ranted this long without bringing up Matchmaking Preferences and the complete neglect the mere concept gets from people. Letting people choose what they want has got the be the best solution, but for some reason for most here, that only means the failed take on it from last year. Separate playlists based on MM type is not a choice, Control already had everyone bought out on being the default, the "main" 6v6 playlist, Classic Mix never stood a chance, which by extension, ruins the choice some people might have had in wanting Connection focused MM, forcing them back into the other. Just for the love of God, stop scapegoating CBMM and use your damn heads.

It is not needed. SBMM is terrible , AND doesn’t work for P2P connections

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Too much to read. But nah even though stasis is stirring up pvp hard we don’t need to add “salt” and “sweat” into the mix. Sbmm isn’t needed.

Its why I keep telling the toxic sweats I play with to stop bagging casuals in trials and acting like little children. Bungie needs to do their part, but we as a community also need to do our part to make the experience enjoyable for everyone. The sweats complain about the low interaction with trials from the playerbase and then go and treat every casual team they play like crap. I love the pvp in this game, but it's on us pvp players to take up the mantle of responsibility to fill the void that Bungies low investment has left in its wake.

So basically you came here to brag about yourself being good at a game that requires no skill actually disguised as a complaint wow how sad.

Maybe they did not invest in a modded controller.

I think before you talk about matchmaking, you should first manage to balance the PvP and provide it with content. I think the biggest problems are: it's not fun because of stasis or other things that are not balanced and there is no reason to play PvP because of loot. So no fun and no loot. First fix these two things before you can discuss matchmaking.

I remember last time this time of year in CoO we had strict sbmm and less than 100k people played pvp.

“Stasis Steven” that got me good LMAO