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Edited by vivelalune:
12/15/2020 4:30:39 PM
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Datto think Raids are too Easy
This is my response to you directly:
I do agree that the ads should have more lethality and intelligence.... but....
-You play on PC and have no recoil on weapons. Your SMG’s with warmind cell builds can shoot at the same distance as an auto rifle but with no recoil.
-You play with the top of the top players
-Try playing with “non-raiders” on LFG using an older gen console
There’s the challenge you might be looking for
https://youtu.be/r-ZcAo64vxI
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He does bring up a great point though, "Why are enemies in Gambit harder to kill than Raid enemies?" Gambit is a core activity and meant to be casual, literally just switch the AI for the activities and it becomes a better experience for all. I might actually consider playing Gambit. You need more coordination to take down Gambit yellow bars then raid enemies, and that's with real blueberries in Gambit. Maybe Raids are meant to be the pinnacle PvE activity, idk, just an opinion.
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8 Replies1. Cosmo said on reddit thankfully they don't take feedback from just streamers and won't be changing raids to be more difficult. 2. Playing on PC is much easier than on consoles due to reasons you actually gave. 3. Not everyone is good at the game, some people struggle to do raids.
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[quote]You play on PC and have no recoil on weapons. Your SMG’s with warmind cell builds can shoot at the same distance as an auto rifle but with no recoil.[/quote] This is entirely by game disign for PC players, and not because mouse control is infinitely better and offers finer adjustments to compensate for the recoil.
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So you didn’t watch the entire video you didn’t you ? Also yes raids are super easy right now Comparing gambit and prophecy enemies to every single raid especially dsc the ads are way to easy to kill they don’t even shoot at yoy
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2 RepliesWho is Datto and why I should bother what he thinks? Because of people like you it is become a thing. Just ignore such experts of gaming and you wont have any issues with their thoughts. Btw I know who he is,I watched his videos. As basic guy as possible.
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I play on PS4 and 3 manned DSC. We do this consistently and have done 35 carries so far. I agreed that there definitely needs to be some challenges added. It is too easy as of now. Even a challenge mode would be nice. That would separate the difficulty levels and provide higher tier players that level of accomplishment that the pinnacle of endgame activities has. They could then implement an adept system of loot for that mode
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Holy shit watch the whole video. He wants to see more difficulty options because the raids are easy for HIM. He never said that it was easy for everyone and even talked about that. He wants the option to turn on contest mode.
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4 RepliesEdited by Element: 12/16/2020 12:18:18 AMAnd bungie will cater to all dattos needs. If it was so easy why didn't he get world first?
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10 RepliesEdited by BigMoistPizza: 12/16/2020 1:11:46 AMThe solution is actually so easy it’s kind of embarrassing that this conversation is even happening lol [spoiler]have easy and hard mode with armor and weapon ornaments as the hard mode rewards. You know, how it was in D1...[/spoiler]
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1 ReplyThe problem is that a lot of the Raids have become formulaic. Introduce a mechanic in the first encounter, do it more or less the same on the second with a new spin on it, the third encounter introduces a new mechanic either by itself or with the already existing mechanics, then the final encounter either puts it all together or builds on it further. Nearly every Raid since Vault has followed this formula in some manner. There have been a few exceptions, but not many. Once you master the initial mechanics introduced first, you're set. The community isn't stupid. We've realized this, so we know immediately what to expect when a new Raid comes out. The Raids haven't gotten easier. The community has just gotten smarter.
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Edited by BIRB: 12/16/2020 2:21:30 AMMaybe if you saw the video you’d know he’s talking about his own experience. He’s entitled to what he believes. He made a very good point about mechanic difficulty vs survival difficulty. Quite frankly I agree with him, survivability in DSC is rarely an issue. The enemies just don’t fight back.
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Easy fix. Tell him to play under levelled even more so than contest mode.
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It's his excuse as to why he didn't get worlds first. It was so easy that everyone could beat it instead of only the most hardcore pros like himself who play the game 18 hours a day lol
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Edited by lCertifiedl: 12/15/2020 5:15:15 PMNearly every single streamer (not all) is completely out of touch with the rest of the community and wants the game to cater to them. If it doesn't and they get bored....nothing to do/no job. People need stop listening to them and just do your own thing, don't give them the views, subs and attention they so desperately want and who knows, they may start caring about the rest of you.
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Edited by Sun: 12/16/2020 2:11:53 AMIdk dude. Usually I would agree that the raids should not be harder but I did it for the first time and something is wrong with the Ai for the enemies. Like they don’t attack you at all. If u compare the Ai of enemies in prophecy vs the Ai of enemies in dsc, the difference is huge. I’m not saying that they should make dsc harder but just add a prestige mode that gives more loot when done.
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Did you actually watch all his video he simply wants a challenge or prestige mode added for every raid where enemies feel more lethal and harder to deal with.
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I always felt raids should be a way for players to come together to defeat bosses and earn a ton of unique loot. Datto as usual always has something stupid to say to get attention so thats no surprise. who cares if the raid is easy? Its a freaking video game at the end of the day. Its not hard to simply handicap yourself either, datto could always run a raid and lower his light enough to where he barely does damage. If datto wants difficulty then he needs to get on crucible without his friends and try to singlehandedly try to carry his team. Nothing is harder in destiny than trying to carry a match full of potatoes lol
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I play on Xbox, and raids are too easy.
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6 RepliesEdited by Ghost Rider: 12/15/2020 10:17:30 PMI don’t get why players run meta builds and then whine when there’s no challenge. Do the freaking raid with blue gear then. Do it with blue gear while under leveled. [i]Make your own challenge. [/i] [spoiler]Sorry, all out of salt.[/spoiler]
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15 RepliesEdited by HaVoK308: 12/15/2020 10:30:45 PMThe guy that plays the game for a living thinks it too easy. His opinion is irrelevant, in my opinion. He could always go get a regular job, and play the game for fun. He could choose not to play with meta weapons and/or builds. He could do a lot to make it more challenging. The problem with Destiny has nothing to do with difficulty.
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1 ReplyAfter a long hard day at work, I find my day job too easy and challenge myself by learning new stuff or changing jobs to progress my career. I don't fu$k about my company and ask them to make my job easier. That's life and Datto should take off his pampers and start treating his job with respect or find new challenges elsewhere. Seriously, with this attitude, I wouldn't hire him even as a toilet cleaner at my place. He will probably complain that cleaning turd is too easy so he wants to constipated the staff!
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7 RepliesEdited by High Noon at Jötunn Saloon: 12/16/2020 12:26:28 AMThe only reason it's "easy" is because it actually has reliable mechanics unlike lagging motes and god-awful tethering. Guys like him and Gladd only say this because an activity everyone can do and enjoy marginalized their relevance. These streamers will never care about you, me or the Destiny community. They care about themselves and their steam, because without it most of them are ringing you up somewhere.
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21 RepliesStreamer problem. 1. Almost all of the people complaining play on PC where weapons are more like lasers than firearms. So it’s easier to fire them accurately. 2. Almost all the people leading this charge are streamers and content creators who have a financial interest in the game being as inaccessible as player bae sentiment will tolerate. Because it increases demand for their content. No reason to watch someone play something that you can easily do yourself. 3. Datto has made it clear that his wish for the game is for it to be [i]World of Warcraft [/i] with guns. So he always complains whenever we become powerful, the game becomes more accessible. Which is why I always stop listening whenever he starts suggesting changes to the game. He’s a talented theory crafter. But if you listen to him on game design matters you’re asking for your game to lose money.
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1 ReplyHonestly, I played destiny on console for 5 years and switched to pc. I mostly use mouse now but I switch to controller for a short while now and then. The change to recoil is not the big thing that console players think it is. To reality is destiny has a lot of aim assist. Controller far more than mouse. The aim assist is so strong on controller that it actually fights against the recoil of weapons to keep them more stable than they would be against a wall. However, the aim assist falls off if you are trying to use a gun outside its effective range and that’s when you start to see recoil that fights against you. Mouse needs reduced recoil so that a players skill plays more of a part on his shots landing rather than rng, recoil, bloom and aim assist. When it comes to landing (except shotguns) shots close range, controllers have the advantage because it requires a lot less skill to land shots in a weapons effective range on controller considering how much the aim assist does for you The REAL thing that gives Datto the perspective that he has is the one thing he never touched on. The REAL challenge to raids are people. Your teammates. Very few people have a consistent, competent and effective team like Datto does. And he has had that for the entire life of destiny. The REAL raid experience that players have is a reality that Datto has never really experienced. It’s kind of like a rich and privileged person being out of touch with the daily struggles of a single parent.
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He did do crota blindfolded only using his toes
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Welcome to the internet, where we shit on people for having opinions.
