TL,DR: Saint-14 and Osiris have a complex relationship that is only now being revealed, and that is okay and actually very good storytelling. [b]thanK YOU!![/b] Their dynamic has been like this from the start, and I am really excited to see where it goes from here. I understand that some people may find it hard to see that the relationship between Saint-14 and Osiris goes beyond what is simply shown in-game. And to those people, I would highly recommend reading/researching the works of Plato, Xenophon, and Plutarch (there are certainly more primary sources out there, but these were the authors mentioned here --> https://bit.ly/3pGcaPN ) as they go into the complex relationships between Greek warriors that ranged from platonic brothers-in-arms to the more romantic and intimate kind. I'm very impressed that this is being represented with two of the most legendary Guardians to date. I understand that some of the comments below discuss their relationship is like that of two brothers, and it very may well be. Or at least, that is how Saint-14 and Osiris have decided to describe it. The Speaker (the man who Saint literally calls 'Father') banished Osiris; the smart move in this situation would be to remove the intensity of the relationship (ie: Saint saying that he and Osiris became close during the Dark Ages, but not [i]how[/i] close). Also... this takes place in a hypothetical post-apocalyptic version of the Solar System with contact to different alien cultures and y'all still are getting worked up about some characters' backstories being "too inclusive"? If it bothers you too much, then just... stop playing and take your negativity elsewhere. [b]Representation matters[/b] and if the fleshed-out backstories and relationships of queer characters (Lord Shaxx, Oryx, Hawthorne, Devrim Kay and Marc, Ana Bray (pre-rez), Ana Bray (post-rez) and Carmin Dumuzi, Jolyon Till and Uldren Sov (I think), Mara Sov and Sjur Eido, Osiris and Saint-14, Athrys and Eramis (yes you read that right), Eriana-3 and Wei Ning, to name a few) are too much to handle, then please put down your controller or step away from your keyboard and contemplate the fact that some people may have never seen video game characters that are [i]like them, feel like them, express themselves like them, [b]love[/b] like them[/i]. [i][b]It is how the player can connect with the game and its world, and it really does mean a great deal to those of us Destiny players who identify as part of the queer community.[/b][/i]

Theres a point where it stops being about representation and starts being annoying pandering, like when they make nearly every side character and their dog gay

Lol, "representation". People dont hate alphabet characters, people hate changing unnecessary things into alphabet people stuff for no reason. Why does it matter what Osiris likes to bang? You people turned yourselves into a PR marketing strategy. Yall idiots.

We have too many lgbtq characters We need some straight representation! Leave them as they are Brothers!

Just be warned that there was a similar topic the other night after the lore dropped that got ninja’d as I was reading the thread because it apparently ‘violated CoC’ even though I read the whole thread and didn’t see anything that looked like that. Most of the comments were similar to this thread... 🤷‍♂️ My biggest issue is that it didn’t feel organic at all (I would go as far to say that all those sections of the lore piece felt like not very good fanfic) and it came off as pandering which is disappointing because the writers are really good crafting big grandiose stories/history ie the sci-fi space opera stuff. All the lore up to this point led us to think that Osiris did all he did with the Sundial because he felt like he had let his noble friend Saint down somehow.... very brothers in arms vibes.

It’s just catering to social justice warriors and lgbtq which is kinda dumb

I'm confused as to why we dont just do what we did with saint. But with sagira

Wait, what did I miss? Are Osirus & Saint together?