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9/16/2020 3:05:57 PM
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Just because you're unhappy doesn't mean that Bungie or the franchise is struggling. Too many other devs are trying--and failing--at their own versions of this game.
If it were as easy as many of you think to make a game like this, one of Bungie's many competitors would have done it already and taken all of Destiny's players.
They haven't.
The issue is that this community has always been a very contentious, very diverse group of gamers who want contradictory things from the game. So it is impossible for one game to make all of them happy.
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The real active player count has been on a downward trend and is currently in the 800K’s Which is a good at best for destiny since going ftp. Many serious players have left over the last year. Some friends are leaving gaming all together do to the frustration the game causes. It hasn’t been fun to watch. My son quit playing, amazing player too. F2P inflates the numbers to look much better than they are and it covers up losing serious pvp and raiders and replacing them with people who cant 3 man public events. Without f2p the player stats would match other low times in destiny’s past.
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While it’s a valid point to bring up player numbers and time logged, OP addresses this in the post: gameplay is centered around maximizing these things. So in a way, they’re artificially high due to the design of the game and rewards.
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Artificially is an opinion. The game struggles to generate loot because of poor design choices when the game was developed. So Bungie uses progression and investment grinds to encourage frequent play. Warframe does the same thing yet gets praised for it.
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[quote]Artificially is an opinion. The game struggles to generate loot because of poor design choices when the game was developed. So Bungie uses progression and investment grinds to encourage frequent play. Warframe does the same thing yet gets praised for it.[/quote] "Artificially", is a statement, non grata. It's not an opinion. That's disemmentating information, as you try to build an argument that gives Bungie a pass. I'm gonna try to us your own words to relate, to the OP because your trying to change the perception and, as stated give Bungie a Pass The game struggles due to artificial loops, that try to appear as Investment, and progression. However, they are not Constant. The Grind is Artificial, and can be reset by bungie whenever, ussualy to again, justify the artificial grind. Example of Grind Reset, the Gear reset, being part of the Transition from Destiny 1 to Destiny 2, was nothing more than a Way to change the game from a MMO-RPG, they lost their Story Directer so they had to redefine the game, well giving the Player Loops, to ensure they have constant income, well copy and pasting, weapon skins over new weapon skins, all so they can change to a Loot Driven game. This game doesn't have a story, it has a lose Text Based Article as people rush through the text for the Objective. So Scarab Lord could make money well refusing to invest in the infrastructure of the game. Now they are saying they are fixing the game, well honestly just providing band-aid, visual fixes. When players ask for changes Bungie ignores them. When Bungie sees a bad Desicion, they double down. It's called stubbornness 🤣. The game fails to generate a true following, cause players don't want LOOT, they want a STORY, where they have loot they can take from Day 1 to the day they annihilate the last, and final enemy, they want better gear when the gun they have sucks. If I'm gonna chase Gear, it's not cause it's NEW, it's causes it Better than what I have before. Bungie isn't entitled to my $, when they release newer and better content, I will reward that good behavior with my hard earned cash. When the story isn't text based, but true Love action CGI/Animation and Vocal Dialogue, I'll pay $40 for A DLC(which is abusurd,) this game isn't TRIPLE A, it's fallen in quality since Destiny 1. I'm sorry if this harsh, or goes against, other people opinion. That's a Fact. [spoiler]I'm sorry if this harsh, or goes against, other people opinion.[/spoiler] however I'm cool with everything I said being quoted. I want MMO-RPG Story First, W/ clean&crisp FPS, with LOOT that ensures the player is capable freedom of choice in abilities, and weapons. Many games are capable of providing such factors and aren't, stubborn or Resilient to progress. Bungie is Bungie, And they refuse to do anything but stick to thier Stubborn guns, well making the Player Sunset their guns. All to introduce a Artificial Difficulty in the next seasons, just like the Destiny 2 Launch. Limited Gear to bungie means Difficulty and Grind. That to them is a good thing. And it's time for the player to say no.
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because they have a player base that widely finds that gameplay loop more fun. you can says its an opinion but from what I have experienced is the majority of players I see with this topic gravitate to Warframe, while a few such as yourself stick up for Destiny. Destiny just struggles with overall too many things to give the majority of players any real substance that they look for, they try to be too much at once and have thus lost their way on what to do anymore. There are some that still like it enough, but there will be quite a few that don't. other differences is Warframe is quicker to respond on fixes than Bungie. Bungie takes forever for several reasons on even the most minor of issues. on top of that the devs with Warframe have been working on that game for nearly a decade now, constantly interacting with their fans, and I would have to say they do so with more regularity and transparency than Bungie does. Bungie could be capable of making a really solid game, but I don't think Destiny is that game
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Edited by kellygreen45: 9/18/2020 2:07:58 AMTaste isn’t a democracy or a popularity contest. Warframe and Destiny are simply different games designed to appeal to different types of gamers You can extoll the virtues of Warframe all you want. But after 6 years and 6000 hours I still look forward to playing Destiny. While I grew bored of Warframe—twice—-within about 100 hours. The difference is that Warframe players accept this. Those who the game appeals to stay and play, and players like me who don’t care for what it offers leave and move on. The problem with Destiny is that it’s player base refuses to accept this. Players like me whom the game appeals to stay and play. But players who don’t care for the game ALSO stay and play while they complain constantly and bitterly about it, and wrap themselves in victimhood... ... or they leave the game but hang around here to trash talk the game and attack the people go still enjoy it. Like a jealous liver who got dumped and is still bitter about it.
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Well ppl also will stay and mess with ppl like you for example because its the internet lol. Like the internet is full of trolls and this forum is one of those that has a slew of ppl who take literally everything on here said soooooooo seriously lol. I also come on here because I find it funny every expac or dlc for the longest time now has this rinse and repeat of what is posted. for me its entertainment and more fun than the actual game itself. hell the community itself has slightly more personality than the npc's that are in the game. On top of that, like you are saying I "extoll the virtues of Warframe", well people like you will do the same with Destiny no matter what they do. literally Bungie could leave you with a single map with a single building, with a single enemy type and there are ppl on here who will virtue its still great lol. its kinda like a masochist who is thankful for the plate regurgitation put forth to them.
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Then you understand nothing about me as a gamer. I just don’t complain and [i]then stay.[/i] When I’m unhappy with a game I walk away and I don’t come back. Like I did with Warframe. I tolerate Destiny’s extensive shortcomings as an RPG because it is one of the best pve shooters in the game right now. Just shooting aliens in the face is so satisfying that the games other problems pale. But I’m a gameplay-motivated player. Gameplay is everything to me and nothing else can win me over if a game’s play fails to hook me.
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lol so are the majority of gamers. gameplay motivated gamers aren't that hard to get, its literally just the gameplay loop. Also gameplay is ofc one of the big factors in any game lol. for me again, the fun here is coming on here and reading people virtue up Destiny left and right, along with the back and forth that brings with ppl. I will give Destiny pretty smooth gameplay, but that is as far as I will give the game. no matter how much of an opinion it may be, its hard to deny that there has been a steep decline in the game and quality of life in the game as well. for me I dropped the game and most likely won't get the expac, but I do love the entertainment this forum brings
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FYI Kelly is the type of gamer where "I'm right, your wrong." Is the coom response, even from people agreeing with him, he just has to be right There are so many muted people for him, I highly doubt the smooth brain, even knows what a True gamer is, he calls himself one, but anyone can call themselves something, doesn't make it true.
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lol I pegged him as much. He is always trying to correct via his own perception of things constantly even over the most minor detail or semantic that is thrown out there, and always taking everything way too seriously. I can understand why quite a few have him muted lol. I honestly have been getting entertainment from messing with him
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Actually most gamers aren’t gameplay motivated. Most players of games like Destiny are actually loot-motivated or story motivated. Others okay to tests themselves or to secure status within a community of players. It’s why so many people continue to play this game even though they complain endlessly about it.
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Edited by TJ_Dot: 9/17/2020 2:24:45 AMIt is possible though to make a game that pisses fewer people off. Maybe think not everyone is out to make the game they want when they just want the dumb crap to stop. Too bad you mute criticism that strikes a nerve
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Other devs don’t make games like Destiny because they don’t know how to. It’s not because they can’t. It’s because they know better.
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All lies👍🏿
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Edited by Yosemite Sam: 9/16/2020 11:28:55 PMNot all lies but KG loves to leave out that streamers, content creators, etc have a hell of a lot more say in what happens to the game than the entire player base. So to blame the community for the company's poor decisions is absurd. Most of what the community, meaning us have been asked for to improve the game Bungie has deliberately gone the complete opposite. It's not impossible to add most of the requests that have been asked for over the years. It's a matter of if Bungie is willing to do the work or not, nothing else. Edit: Just one more thing. DT puts out false numbers, counts D1, and Gambit as PvP. Also when the player base is majorly low, Bungie always has them hid the numbers.
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Prove it.
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They are struggling to make content though, they have said themselves the seasonal model is incredibly draining and they really stretch out content in each season
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Edited by kellygreen45: 9/16/2020 3:36:32 PMThat's not the point that the OP is making. Bungie has always struggled to make content enough to keep up with how much the game's hardcores play. So that is nothing new, and not a problem that anything the OP suggested will fix. The only thing that will fix that problem is growing the company, and streamlining the development process (cough engine and tools cough). What the OP is basically complaining about is that he resents the game becoming more of a traditional loot game in its design. Read between the lines, and what the OP wants is for Destiny to besically become the continuation of Halo. A campaign driven shooter with a PVP oriented end game. The problem is Bungie gave us that with vanilla D2. We rejected that version of the game...and the faction within Bungie that wanted to make that game LOST the fight with the RPG faction led by Luke Smith...and they've largely left Bungie to go work elsewhere. The one significant point (to the direction that the game is going) that the OP makes is about Bungie being stingy with loot and trying to slow down progression as a means to artificially extend play. That crap needs to stop. It never works, and it only makes players resentful.
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Classic Kelly, telling people what they feel and think by reading he lines 🤣🤣
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Parable of the Five Blind Men and the Elephant. Its a parable because it speaks to the human tendency to interpret their subjective experience of the world as if it were objective reality. I'm not tellign the OP what he thinks and feels. I'm reminding him that what he thinks and feels isn't objective reality, and is the final word on anything....other than what he thinks and feels. While I point out what actually IS the objective reality. That the OP is complaining about what are pretty standard features of most loot games.
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[quote]Parable of the Five Blind Men and the Elephant. Its a parable because it speaks to the human tendency to interpret their subjective experience of the world as if it were objective reality. I'm not tellign the OP what he thinks and feels. I'm reminding him that what he thinks and feels isn't objective reality, and is the final word on anything....other than what he thinks and feels. While I point out what actually IS the objective reality. That the OP is complaining about what are pretty standard features of most loot games.[/quote] Sorry Kelly. I explained several times why you are simply wrong and this is narcissistic behaviour where you only consider yourself right, and all opposing opinions is wrong for one reason or another. Don't mind me, I'm just passing by.
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Edited by kellygreen45: 9/17/2020 12:03:12 AM[quote]Don't mind me,[/quote] Don't worry....I don't. But thank you for volunteering to be a perfect example of what I was talking about, and an example of how to misapply the word "narcissistic". It would make me the world's first narcissist who strongly advocates for looking at things from multiple points of view rather than an individualistic one. In fact, a narcissist who insists that he DOESN"T speak for the player base because his playing habits make him too much of an outlier to do so. A narcissist who strongly argues for his own limitations, and the limits of his own point of view and opinions. Interesting...... Sounds like I need to refer back to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual and review the diagnostic criteria..... Or maybe you just want to label me because I don't accept other people trying to insist that their opinions should carry the force of fact, and that their subjective experience is "objective". I kid you not. In another thread I am actually having an argument with someone who is trying to insist that the value judgement of deciding whether something is "good" or not...is "objective". And is insisting that I'm a fool and that I "don't get it"....because I won't allow him to get away with it.
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Edited by Hesh: 9/17/2020 11:26:02 PMHahahahah! Oh, Green! Ya STILL don’t get it! Opinions only carry the force of fact if those opinions are backed by facts! That’s what being objective’s all about! Forming conclusions using what’s tangibly there regardless of personal fluff instead of whatever you feel like is there! Oh, by the way, you forgot to address my last response to you about how you used something completely unrelated to what I was saying in a terrible attempt to derail me. Y’know, like always. Basically after you edited your post (which didn't make it sound less unrelated), I edited mine back! You should get back to that before someone thinks you've lost the plot even more than ya already have, if that's still possible. Ah, who am I kiddin'? You always strive to surpass your limits, dontcha Green? Also, I can’t believe ya got so wound up by me that I’m bleeding into your other tism storms! I’m honored!
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ROFLMAO. Please. Stop. You’re just embarrassing yourself now. There are facts. There are opinions. Then there are informed or expert opinions that you get from experts. But they are still opinions. Learn the difference.
