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8/31/2020 11:32:41 PM
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The Pyramids may not be the bad guys
So I just thought of this after like an hour of scrolling through this forum and making two other posts that aren’t nearly as fun as realizing this but whatever
So these big ol’ Pyramids showed up and they’re big evil but it’s important to remember that the Pyramids aren’t [i]actually[/i] the Darkness, like how the Traveler isn’t actually the Light; they’re both manifestations of these paracausal forces.
However I’m likely gonna call the Pyramids harbingers since they don’t seem to actually emit Light like the Traveler does but of course I don’t actually know that because I can’t measure it and it’s not real but anyway
So Oryx, Savathûn, and Xivu Arath all got sword logic from the Darkness worms on Fundament so how weird is it that Savathûn would stop both us and the Pyramids from meeting each other
Furthermore, the Exo Stranger came back in time to prevent the Darkness from consuming our timeline, but doesn’t seem to have any idea what the Pyramid ships do
My personal theory is that the Pyramids and whoever mans them aren’t from this timeline: they, like the Hive, were given power by the Darkness, destroyed the Light, and felt remorse, so they traveled into other timelines in order to prevent the Darkness from taking them over too by giving them Stasis
The Exo Stranger is a Guardian from one of these timelines that didn’t listen so she also went back in time to warn us about the Darkness but didn’t take the Stasis in her own timeline so is now telling us to do it
Essentially this leads to the Hive and Taken being the Darkness’ actual army and the Pyramids are hear to warn us about the danger they pose. They gave the Fallen Stasis powers as well hoping they’d join us since they fought the Darkness in the past too but they probably won’t
Obviously this is all speculation but whatever
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In the end they are just Doritos Grow strength from fat guardians
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I feel like the Darkness is more of a state of mind more than an actual physical being. How we act depends on how we align ourselves, not necessarily what you're doing but why you're doing it. Like the difference between a Fireteam trying to speed run a raid and someone in open world just slaughtering bots. You could argue one has a clear goal where the other has "fell" to a state of darkness that isn't helping themself or anyone else. I talk about in game but the philosophy can be taken just about anywhere maybe. Darkness could also just mean the unknown to what is known. Considering that's pretty much what Savathun thrives in. Maybe there's many aspects but I do t think it's just as simple as "it's a space ship"
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2 RepliesThe Darkness is the unholy trinity known as The Architects, Misadventure and that 2 inch rise in the terrain that none of us seem to be able get over without jumping.
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I see Bungie going with the trope of "Light/Dark aren't inherently Good/Evil". I don't assume the Pyramids to be evil just yet. Nobody knows wtf happened during the Collapse, somehow. We'll see.
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I actually think savathun is on our side
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2 RepliesOr are the pyrmaids the prison guards. Hunting the real monster. The traveler arrive converts people into its servants and uses them against the pyrmaids. Thousands dying protecting it. So far the pyrmaids haven't attacked us. The nightmare were the hive involvement on the moon and sava has been attacking us at the tree. And the collapse. The first big attack. Do we have record showing who shot first the travelers spawn or the pyrmaids. Causr if it was us.... then the pyrmaids acted on self defence. And when the traveler died they left. They stopped fighting.
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1 ReplyHere’s another question too. How come there’s no Pyramid ship on Nessus? Nessus is in the Kuiper Belt which is near Pluto and Neptune, if the darkness is entering our entire Solar System from the outside then why not Nessus first instead of IO? Is it because of the Leviathan??? Does Calus know something that we dont? Maybe even having a direct way of communicating to the ones commanding those Pyramid ships?
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1 ReplyAlot of this isn't really clear. Were the pyramids even involved in the collapse? Ada-1's lore mentions creatures entering the Niobe Labs. And while these could be the nightmares the pyramids have been shown to create, they are never mentioned specifically. The books of sorrow from Destiny 1, mention many other races the Traveler uplifted being thrown down, but that was always by the hive. When the traveler sacrificed itself to save humanity, it could have easily been destroyed by the pyramids. But it wasn't. Instead the pyramids waited until they detected the explosion of light from Ghaul's destruction to enter the solar system. Why wait? Interestingly, it was the Nine that were responsible for blinding the city to the Red legion resulting in the Traveler's capture. Which directly lead to the Traveler's "awakening" and thus the arrival of the Pyramids. So technically, the current state of affairs is the Nine's fault. Or at least 4 of them.
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Unfortunately this is one of those things where good vs bad guy is all a matter of perspective. That said, I could care less about either. I only fight on behalf of the vanguard because that is the only option this game has given us.
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15 Replies<They are right, but they are the villains. Natural selection may prove itself the truth progressing the universe forward, but the Pyramids would've murdered us all if the Traveler did not fight back. Their end goal literally results in the annihilation of all life. And no, the Darkness itself is definitely among the Pyramid Armada, the "I" in the midst of the Pyramids' "we". It's not debatable, unlike whether the Traveler is the Gardener or not. The Winnower IS in one of those ships, or the Mothership we have yet to see.>
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Safe to assume that the Pyramids had a hand in the Collapse as well as the Whirlwind and a bunch of other society-ending catastrophes.
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It's a pretty standard plot device to make "who's REALLY the bad guy???" up for 'debate' as a 'twist.' [b]Highly[/b] unlikely that the pyramids are good or even neutral in the long term.
