They do need to be toned down. My one of my biggest gripes is that Bungie keeps overturning low barrier entry weapons. Shotguns are a classic example. They're fine now but we're a big problem during year 2. Now we have the likes of the mountaintop. When I played Trials and look up my opponents who are doing a carry, the person being carried usually has the mountaintop or the bastion equipped. It's a no brainer understanding why: theyre easy to use, very fast TTK. The problem is that having guns like those in their current state for SO long dilutes the crucible experience. I don't mind autos being viable, but the range that they can shred at a rate under .7 secs coupled with how crits are not needed to achieve a this fast TTK for how forgiving autos is the issue.