[quote]Warlocks melee is slow and can be easily dodged, a shiriken will track you off a wall and do more damage. Also if the meta is plagued by warlocks and Titans, why is the majority of the player base hunters? Seems like they dominate the meta to me. Yes, warlock stasis super is stupid good, but it’s neutral game is, stupid. Awful. Hunter stasis has that stupid good neutral game and is literally still the best crucible class, the difference is now it can be competed Against. Titans after the super change feels I’m a good spot as of recent, so I think this is a hunter crying because for once you can’t use broken stuff to kill us no more. [spoiler]you were always bad without stasis[/spoiler][/quote] Just to add, I believe a lot of hunters switched to Titan and/or warlock once we started getting smashed by exotics like one eyed mask etc, just Jammy and offered no potential for skill based counters, which I believe Hunters have got the best opportunity to do in crucible.

[quote]Okay so a couple of issues here: Firstly, hunters are intrinsically the best character for crucible because of 3 things. 1: shadestep breaks aim assist. No one can deny how powerful shadestep is in crucible and is the only movement ability that literally breaks someone’s aim assist looking At you (icarus dash doesn’t, neither does shoulder charge or the ice slide) 2: hunters jump is the most effective for utilising verticle space, strafe jump is effective to change him you use the space and due to the nature of the jump, it gives more in air accuracy than other classes (cool guy done a video on this, go check I out) 3: when you have 100 mobility which does increase sprint speed actually, you have the best class ability ready in 11 seconds. 11. And this can also give you your melee ability or reload a gun. With this it makes it a far more useful tool than the rift or barricade for PvP. Now, when you say that hunters aren’t dangerous without a felwinters or a super, have you never played against a sniping hunter? That goes invis? Have you never played against a hunter that can use cover with a hc and use shadestep to get out of a sure death for free? Someone who used the jump to moon bounce out choke points and rain down hell fire on everyone? If not, you need to play more crucible. The cast majority of top teir players play hunter, and this isn’t a surprise because they offer so much more than every other class. Shurikens don’t need to freeze, being slowed for 4 seconds is incredible, in a fast paced environment 4 seconds feels like forever. That’s long enough for a 120 to get 4 kills, a 140 to get about 5 kills, an aggressive pulse to get 6 kills. And you can’t move for that time you’re a sitting duck. I’m not a standup comedian, however I feel I could do an adequate job thanks. Oh and on the exotics, yes that nah be the case, but hunters have the best in class pvp exotics too. So don’t go on your high horse mister roley poley, you gotta get used to actually being balanced now.[/quote] Hey your first second and third point have some great validity. But your fourth, fifth and and sixth (not mentioning the extra seventh) are very much based on opinion, I’ve never struggled against an invis Hunter especially because they have a very visible trail and sniping isn’t a Hunter thing only it’s just very much utilised mainly with hunters due to intrinsic handling, I don’t know a single person rocking 100 mobility in a resilience focused meta, coming from a high recovery meta not so long ago, ask any Hunter main and we struggle agains one hit melees, plus who needs aim assist dodging makes you a glowing target (shade step is void specific from d1) closet thing to that is light shift, which is on an awful set of stasis set abilities again in my personal opinion (compared to the fun and uniqueness of light based subclasses) using a whole exotic slot to make it even useable, my high horse is high and mighty when you can look down on fools. What use is a pvp exotic when you have to attain it through pve. All I’m suggesting is a little more consistency, you’re either getting crushed or crushing, no in between. Then you get called a sweat. Neutral game is nonexistent. I call that gun play, which is a skill carried across all characters. Just goes to show this is an argument only time can resolve. Or perhaps we’ll see Titans win the guardian games once again, maybe not but as I said only time will tell.