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8/6/2020 7:28:57 PM
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I love how y'all put the warlock up front and center, when it is your weakest, most harshly nerfed class in the game. Y'all are worse than what Black Desert did to the Dark Knight.
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Edited by SSK0T: 8/6/2020 10:14:49 PMWarlocks may be leading in fashion though... look at those Trials outfits :)
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Fashion is only endgame in warframe buddy lol
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Agree to you 100% came back to warframe after 1-1,5 years pause and holy cow. Basically nothing changed, endless and useless grind with one purpose to get platin for new skins. Just uff, that new "hard mode", such a joke. But Bungie going in the same direction, maybe that dude from Anthem was right. Anthem 2 gonna be the best game in this genre :D
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Edited by Rain: 8/6/2020 9:00:03 PMTop tree dawn is one of the best pvp classes. (Great for pve speedruns) Top and bottom tree nova are one of the best pve.
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Top tree dawnblade is good on pc perhaps when the enemy aren't being butt buddies,but most of the time you're asking to be shot right out of the sky. Bottom tree nova almost sees 0 usage especially when charged oppressive darkness vortex grenades are the warlock pve meta and bottom tree nova bomb does ass for damage in all situations compared to top tree. I play a fair bit of crucible on xbox and I can tell you this game is infested with hunters. The few warlocks I see on xbox don't use top tree dawnblade. And on the off chance they are, it's only because they are using mountaintop.
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Edited by Rain: 8/6/2020 9:57:19 PMI am on pc but used to play on console. Well tickle fingers is the super imo that is the hardest to kill in pvp. Bottom nova does decent damage but is obviously not as good as top. Hunters are the most used due to its ease of use and looks.(best looking class imo) Ease of use doesn't make it better tho.
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Hunters are the worst looking class but that's up to who you ask. Every hunter ability in every subclass is tailor made for pvp that's why they are so easy to use. That's why all of their "nerfs" mean jack shit when they remain the dominant force of the entire game. Their ease of use is why there are so many of them and because there are so many, almost every time they come crying something has killed them bungie babies them immediately.
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What's so much better for pvp on hunter the jump? Shade step is a 9 second cooldown with max mobility needed. Top tree dawn is a double dodge every 5 seconds with nothing needed. Only thing I can see that is really good with hunters is spectral blades and wall hacks which requires a kill while crouching.
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Lmfao buddy, the infinite 1 hit knife with nothing needed, the smoke vortex combo, every super on every tree, auto reload dodge every 9 secs when auto reload was taken away from lunafaction and rally barricade, a 9 second class ability when warlocks have to wait 50 secs( don't remember how long titans have to wait but it's definitely more than 9 secs), the dodge breaks aim assist and tracking, top tree dawnblade dodge doesn't break aim assist or tracking or hide you in anyway. You still get shot to hell. The super is ass, can't even kill on direct impact half the time. Warlocks are slow af and super vulnerable even when blinking. Hunters have a far superior arsenal of abilities that don't require exotics and the exotics available to them shit on everyone else. Titans can still hold their own but warlocks require way too much effort to still be at such a huge disadvantage. And come November hunters are getting ANOTHER suppression ability while warlocks still have all of 0. There is no way you can use one subclass tree that's barely even used as it is, to justify the clear and overwhelming disparity in this game.
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The knife was nerfed and Goldie isn't that good you can wait out the super. Wombo combo is on 2 of 3 (the smoke on bottom tree does not damage you) Plus wombo has to hit perfectly to be effective (most people that constantly die to it are either playing someone with skill top 1% or they are a potato)
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What nerf has that knife received that made it as unusable as handheld supernova? Nova warp, supernova, and contraverse hold have all received separate nerfs and contraverse hold has always been inconsistent with grenade return even pre-nerf. That knife gets a full charge every precision kill, no exotic needed. What hunter have you seen kill himself with his own abilities? I've seen hunters at less than half health still tank their blade barrage like it was nothing. Warlocks are a bigger danger to themselves than to anyone else. You can try to downplay the hunters all you want but they are broken and have been since vanilla D1 you know it and I know it.
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Edited by Rain: 8/6/2020 11:12:41 PM🤷♂️ I play all 3. Only warlock and hunter in pvp. I'm actually maining warlock more often than anything past 3 seasons. Warlocks self res broke pve in d1. In pvp trials not so much if you were paying attention because you could bait the res. D1 firebolts were nutty same with hunter arcbolt. Also tickle fingers was one of the best pvp supers for qp, same with blade dancer. Warlocks retained blink when hunters forgot for some reason.
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Blink was a warlock ability that should have never been given to hunters to begin with. I've mained warlock since D1 beta and I can tell you, outside of release nova warp and release stormtrance, warlocks have never been able to really compete with hunters.
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The beta card lol. What relevance does that have to anything vs what I've said? I also play every aspect of the game pve and pvp since d1 launch. I have been playing endgame since then. I'm giving another perspective from someone who actually plays all 3 quite a lot. Not limited to 1 class. They all have ups and downs. I also explained the ease of use and low skill ceiling for hunters(better looking gear) vs high skill ceiling (typically dresses/robes) on a warlock. Why do most of the best pvp players in the game main warlock? Specifically top tree. Why are the fastest pve speedruns on teams stacked with locks? Agree to disagree. Warlocks are not victims lol.
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Give me names of these so called top pvp warlocks, give me links to these speedruns of which you speak because I have never seen nor heard of such things. Where is your empirical evidence to back up such claims? None of these "top pvp warlocks and speedruns" speak for why more than half of the entire playerbase across all platforms are all hunters. Doesn't explain why all balance changes all revolve around hunters coming out with clear advantages over the other 2 classes. Hell even Esoterikk could only solo gm corrupted on a hunter.
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Edited by Rain: 8/7/2020 12:24:39 PMSure that's easy. Panduh, wallah, Potato and zkmushroom. WR Prophecy solo flawless https://youtu.be/kh4BhBr7M04 WR Sotp https://youtu.be/BVegt0RVGW0 WR Leviathan https://youtu.be/CAey2f-ksH4 WR Spire https://youtu.be/enFKK_CR2js I can post a ton more if you like. Estorikk mains warlock btw so lol at using him as an example. Keep casual tho.
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Ah way to fully discredit yourself by posting PC cheese. Great job truly. Also Eso is one of the few that doesn't main any class and plays all of them equally. I've never heard of any of those names you listed but I don't watch streamers. I only know the names of the ones most popular with the cry babies on here. I watch eso because he's a rare talent in this game and for someone that doesn't say a word, has some of the most enjoyable vids.
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Eso is on pc LMFAO. So when you're proven wrong you have nothing to say but pc is cheese. 1 of those names are #1 in the world btw for pvp, and I also dont watch streams I'd rather play the game. Still doesn't disprove the people I posted. Imagine saying pc is cheese. Stay casual.
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I'm well aware he's on PC. But he never does any of those shady kill yourself, go to orbit, change gear in the middle of action, bs unless there's something I missed in his solo ordeals, dungeons, and whisper/outbreak missions. He's the only reason I think it's possible to play on PC without the hacks and bullshit. None of those videos proved anything wrong they cheesed their way to victory lmao you can't possibly deny that. Also I love how you throw around the word causal like it's an insult, you'll definitely hurt everyone's feelings that's posting "Crucible sucks because I'm trash". 🤣🤣🤣
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Edited by Rain: 8/7/2020 1:53:29 PMFunny because its usually really bad players that hide their stats. Hell I consider myself average to below and I'm not hiding anything. Dont blame pc for being cheese because it takes you longer to load your inventory. Every speedrun has some kind of "cheese" console and pc but why is it done by all warlocks? Eso doesn't cheese or glitch? https://youtu.be/NYY6HoLsDwY Ok then I can post more of him doing cheese,glitches and hot swapping if you like. Keep it casual. 😘
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I maintain a 1+ kd. If you consider that bad then idk what to tell you. Also you pointed out the very reason I'm not showing you all my stats because you think that's an actual indication of skill in this game lmao. I havent seen any cheese vids from eso but of course I'm not surprised he's capable of making such vids. I guess the only way of being good to constantly solo gm nightfall is to familiarize yourself with cheese 🤷♂️
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It's funny because stats are a basic indication. Every time I prove you wrong you deflect and change to another subject while not answering my questions. Again why are most of the best pvp players warlock mains? Why are wr speedruns warlock stacked?
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You have never proved me wrong, you have no way to prove that the best pvp players are warlocks unless you have access to bungie's database. Meanwhile it's a well known fact that over 60% of the entire playerbase across all platforms are hunters. Bungie flat out said that there is an overwhelming majority of hunters in this game. Speedruns mean Jack shit because they aren't possible without cheese. But tell me why the hardest pve activites can only be done on hunters? Stats are never a basic indication because they vary especially for those of us that don't main pvp because pvp is a joke in this game. Even still I maintain 1+ kd because my personal goal is to always at a bare minimum, break even.
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Lmao I already told you the best pvp players. 🤦♂️ Especially #1 which is a fact panduh - wins every tournament- top of sweats and best in trials mains warlock. What's the hardest pve content that can be done only on hunters?
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Lmao what tournaments? This isn't an E-Sports game. Where is Bungie's ranking of all the top pvp players in the world to support your claims? Let's just say in the off chance that he is as good of a warlock as you say. 1. He's likely on PC and we already agree that PC performs vastly different than console. 2. One pvp player doesn't represent the entire class. 3. Still doesn't explain why more than 60% of all players across all platforms are hunters and why they are constantly the highest performing class across all aspects of the game. Bungie outright said so themselves in an interview during that stupid guardian games event. Even then Titans won because they could better take advantage of those bounties than warlocks. I already told you, soloing the gm corrupted was only possible on a hunter. I want warlocks to be great and shine. I really do. I'm tired of the hunters making every aspect of this game no longer fun because everytime they die in pvp shit gets nerfed 3 separate times. Why do you think they are the only class with an instant reload in their kit? They have the shortest cooldown for the most useful class ability in the game. They are about to have suppression abilities on 2 entirely separate subclasses. Whether you want to admit it or not, hunters always have been and always will be the standout class of this game because it's the CEOs favorite. And so many people play hunter that if they take the backseat for even a minute, bungie can't handle the whining and backlash.
