It’s gonna be sad when this thread fades into oblivion like all the other warlock buff threads

Bruh I’ve made posts about this for months. I even tried to lay out details to back up my claims. Dmg numbers, attack ranges/ radius, frame data, plain old logic. None of it matters. There’s bias in the community and everyone is so toxic that instead of just admitting to it, they wanna have a “class war”. I advocated for changes that would be in line with the goals of the nerfs they put out while still leaving the class as a viable option but I got hit with the “warlock player is mad”. Now dawnblade top tree is likely on the chopping block. I’m gonna bump this and pray but unless every warlock main or everyone capable of being a reasonable human being comes together on this, it’s never gonna change. Get your friends to bump this if you can bro. We need all the help we can get.

Warp more, charge less. You only need a full charge if going up against another super. Warp uses very little energy now. So its very effective in PvP. In PvE it's limited to add clears, nothing more.

I can't be the only one who still has loads of fun with it. If it was easy, everyone would use it, like back when it was busted. For pvp, top tier mobility and with the right positioning it can easily outperform other supers. For Pve, it could use a buff I guess, but on Warlock you do have far better options for dps and ad clearing. In pvp, it's not a super that you just give all the power. It was once like that, and we do not want to go back. They [i]actually[/i] balanced it, and I'm pretty satisfied with it.

Oh and if you die at the same time as you melee atomic breach doesn't work.

I just want it to ohk other supers (Titan Bubble being the exception) and have the self damage on handheld supernova reverted.

I'd probably say either burning maul, top tree striker or bottom tree tether are worse for pvp. Burning mauls nerf made it so inconsistent and it's a melee super with no lunge on the light attack that barely kills players with multiple inputs due to the lag and because it's a multi hit, it also burns way too much energy. The slam is the super and that can be avoided just by jumping. You also come to a dead stop when you do it. The neutral game is also not quite useful unless you stack at least 2 which is kind of hard. Top tree striker has a really good neutral and a powerful super...but the super burns out SO fast that it's just not worth using. The slam also has such a crappy horizontal and vertical radius that you basically have to kiss them just to kill them. When it works it works, but it's just not efficient. I don't really think I have to explain bottom tree tether. Nova warp is just better top tree fist of havoc (in terms of boom) for pvp, but that boom comes at such a high cost that it's sometimes not even worth charging. Its radius is huge, but losing all access to mobility and being slowed is quite stupid. You HAVE to gap close, which costs a ton of energy (or jump blink) and by the time you get there they just...disperse. And you can't use it in pve because its ass. Handheld is still very potent but something on it should be reverted like the hold time (the self damage is unlikely to get reverted). The melee is also supposed to have the delay on explosion because it pushes them away...but it should explode a little sooner. As a whole it has potential to be good but it's just stuck on its nerfs that hurt it so bad. The super honestly just needs a more useful light attack and the heavy attack should lose that slow effect. Otherwise...its basically just a roaming burning maul slam.

Its pretty clear that when bungie made this tree they had pvp in mind And instead of balancing things like they should, they just yeeted it. Its one of the few supers that i just dont run from anymore because even with them blinking i can take them out with primary 90% of the time.

IM A TITAN MAIN AND I FRICKING AGREE WITH THIS! Like I think warlocks should get better exotics and be buffed in other ways. I actually used to enjoy playing them quite a lot. I stoped playing warlocks on the regular when they nerf my favorite exotic. Skull of the Dire Ahamkara. I loved chucking nova bombs so god damn much and I wish they would buff it back.

It's only the worse until November, then -blam!- will be the worst. It's no secret that the Bugie CEO has a hard on for hunters and he will NEVER have anything more powerful or even remotely competitive against them in pvp. Why do you think every time a hunter whines about something, they get their way but the other 2 classes get the "you're lucky to even be in the game" treatment. So long as the CEO stays in love with hunters, and they remain the most played class in the game 5 to 1, hunters will never not be meta.

Nothing about nova warp was broken it never needed nerfing.

Fission needs: - revert drain from charging blast nerf. - Reduce self-damage from HHSN by 50% - Increase the time HHSN can remain ready from 2 seconds to 3.5 seconds. Chaos needs: - Priority tracking when aimed at an Ultra or Major - increased tracking on overcharged scatter grenade. - Boost to damage of huge scattered axion bolts that come from super detonation. Hunger Needs: - Increased Nova Bomb vortex duration by 50%, and increase total damage by keeping tick rate and damage the same. - Kills while devour is active generate rift and/or melee energy. Voidwalker overall needs: - fix scatter grenade bouncing issue.

I’ve said previously that Attunement of Fission is the epitome of Bungie’s incompetence. It was released BUSTED, then nerfed into THE GROUND, buffed to mediocrity, then nerfed as part of a blanket nerf to super damage resistance which clearly wasn’t accounted for on an individual basis, then received its most recent simultaneous buff/nerf that made it WORSE THAN EVER BEFORE. And throughout this time, it has not once received a PvE-specific buff. Bungie has no clue how to balance a game.

They reduced the range of hand helds so its used more at close range but then made it so players take damage from it at close range, its basically a double edge sword. The increased charge time and reduction in holding that charge for handhelds also nerfed the exotic that came with it, the exotic only activates once the warlock has the full charge active however bungie made it so the charge only last 1-2 seconds which means the exotic is only viable for those small seconds. Since players can and will die from handhelds now, the exotic is completely useless for this path. There was no common sense used when this nerf was made. the super never really needed a nerf other than its armor and everyone is blind to the fact that nova warp was impossible to kill because all roaming supers had an insane amount of armor at the time. After the armor nerf to all classes, nova warp got it the worst. The increased time in charging the attack, the slower movement in charging the attack, the reduction in damage and range, it was literally overkill. These are facts, nova warp is even worse than night stalker, that says a lot.

So what you are saying is buff hunters more