“There is power in this universe beyond your feeble Light. I leave you with those words, and these parting gifts. Take them, and grow fat from strength.” -Emperor Calus
“I sought a different power, one outside the petty balance of Light and Dark.” -The Emissary
Imagine three great nations under three great queens. The first queen writes a great book of law and her rule is just. The second queen builds a high tower and her people climb it to see the stars. The third queen raises an army and conquers everything.
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There are 3 sources of paracausal power in the destiny universe. The game we are playing is nothing compared to the goals of these 3 paracausal true god like beings. The Gardener, The Winnower and Someone else... There are 3 not 2 but 3. The threats of the hive cabal fallen and vex are all so minor and irrelevant in the game. We are struggling to defend ourselves against these minor alien invaders. Imagine the struggle, the impossibility of what we will face once we learn what the true game is about. The real game takes place outside of this universe. In a place that is only reachable by paracausal beings. Guardians... The Veil.... Third Unknown Paracausal race under the third queen.
And as the universe ticks on towards the close, the great players will face each other. In the next round there will be three queens and all of them will have armies, and now it will be a battle of swords - until one discovers the cannon, or the plague, or the killing word. - Toland
One of the queens builds a high tower for her people to climb and reach the stars. This is the Gardener. The Light, The Traveler. And we are the people who climb the tower - the Guardians. Defenders of the light. Sound familiar? Tower? Stars? The Sky is another name for the light.
Another Queen raises an army and conquers everything. The Darkness, The Winnower, The Deep. The Veil (supposed name of the defenders/guardians of the darkness). Raises an army? Why so many pyramids? The army? Conquers everything? Consumes worlds...
And the third queen writes a book of law and her law is just. Unknown force. Third Paracausal force. Mentioned by Calus and the emissary. When will we see this third force? Light fall? Beyond Lightfall? Uncertain but there is definitely a third force at play. Could it be nature? Natural?
In the end all 3 forces will have their own armies. Guardians, The Veil and Unknown army race. We will all fight on the same battlefield and prove which one is strongest. We maybe enter a dimension of true gods? Nothing petty like throne worlds and false godhood like oryx. These 3 Queens are the true gods of all universes. We are playing destiny for them. They are the true focus point of the game. Everything else is side stories even though they may seem like major threats now such as savathun and xivu and oryx. They are all minor compared to what we’ll face and learn in lightfall and beyond. I hope they keep onto this because it will lead to something truly amazing in the end. The three paracausal forces fighting each other’s armies in a massive cosmological war.
Think of Cyrodiil in ESO. Daggerfall Covenant, Aldmeri Dominion and Ebonheart Pact all meet in the middle to fight and prove which faction is the true heir of the nation.
This perhaps is Destiny 3? A solely story mode game with massively open world multiplayer as it’s endgame where everyone meets in the middle and fights for their paracausal faction they chose to be with at the start of the game. Hopefully that is.
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Well since the first sister wrote the laws... Her powers are probably lot paracasual because he made the rules that determined what was normal or not. The light makes things, the dark kills things, and the third is keeping things like gravity functioning.
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2 RepliesLong ago the three nations lives in harmony...
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Wasn't the 3 auryx savathun and Idk remember the others name Arath ? Ithink
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What I find most interesting is that some descriptions match the Hive Gods. The army is Xivu, the literal aspect of war. The just law one is Oryx, as by law it could mean sword logic, as he killed a worm to gain the power to take (and I guess you could say tablets of ruin as well). And the last one could be Savathun and her lust for power and building it up higher. According to your theory, if there is a third force, I find it strange that they would correlate so closely to the Hive Gods.
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4 RepliesYeah. The power of the Nine. Beings wholly and completely outside of the realms of Light and Dark. That Calus quote is talking about the Darkness. Because he met with and was changed by the Darkness That Emissary quote is what you’re looking for, talking about The Nine
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"The Sky is Vast, but shallow. The deep is boundless but suffocating. There is another way" - Nokris
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The Nothing.
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I truly think the Third Queen is something of the Nothingness. It has haunted me since the movie The Neverending Story amonst others. Its always the 3rd and most dangerous, no ambition or desire just straight silence and nothing. Please see this incredible movie of the 80s if you haven't then you'll understand greatly.
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You overstated the third power. Calus was referring to the Dark. That’s why he said feeble Light. Calus has met the Darkness and it let him live, so he doesn’t know about the third. Where is its army? It’s presence? It’s completely unknown. In fact, back in Curse of Osiris, it didn’t even factor into the any Dark Future. So it doesn’t assert itself in the material universe. Making any sort of speculation about it pointless.
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1 ReplyThe third paracausal force is clearly the Architects. They don't take sides on who they kill and they're completely invulnerable to all forms of conventional weaponry. Only reason why we die to them so much is because the Darkness is far more capable of abusing bad physics.
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Yeah, us, beings that use both
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Sounds awesome, but probably won’t happen.
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5 RepliesI liked the idea of The Nothing people suggested awhile back. But right now it doesn't seem like this is the way things are going That Calus quote was probably refering to the darkness That emissary quote was referring to the nine And that queens analogy was referring to the three Hive gods Oryx, savathune, and xivu arath
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Edited by Grays_KS27: 7/8/2020 11:18:11 AMThat’s a very interesting theory. I highly doubt it, though. There were 3 things in the Garden: the Gardener, Winnower, and Tree of Silver Wings. But the Tree was sort of balanced between the two and has done very little in Destiny. Here’s the context of the quotes. [quote]“There is power in this universe beyond your feeble Light. I leave you with those words, and these parting gifts. Take them, and grow fat from strength.” -Emperor Calus[/quote]Calus was referring to any power other than the Light, primarily the Darkness because he worships it. There’s no insinuation of a third paracausal power. [quote]“I sought a different power, one outside the petty balance of Light and Dark.” -The Emissary[/quote]Oran was seeking the Nine. That’s the “different power” she spoke of. [quote]Imagine three great nations under three great queens. The first queen writes a great book of law and her rule is just. The second queen builds a high tower and her people climb it to see the stars. The third queen raises an army and conquers everything.[/quote]This was only an example from Toland, but we have no evidence that the 3 queens represent something specific. Especially because the example goes even further and adds more queens to the list. But your theory on it is very interesting. Clearly the queen of spears would represent the Darkness. But neither of the other two is a clear representative of the Traveler. Most likely it would be the queen of the tower. This leaves the queen of law, which actually would most likely represent the Vex, which were born from the victorious rule-following pattern in the game created by the Traveler and Winnower.
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Normally I’d say this was wrong, but hey, it’s written by Osiris himself so...
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1: we can’t join the dark side. 2: there’s only 2, light and dark. And the nine but they’re neutral which is far from a third.
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yoo that’s some crazy analysis right there