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Edited by iKARUS:
7/2/2020 2:57:58 PM
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I enjoy reading threads about sbmm and cbmm
Seeing the concentrated sweat and rage of what top tiers have dealt with for years saturating into the casuals and simps.
The people who hid behind their fortress of casual perception truly understanding what destiny has been all along. Meta abuse. And speed teams who some how just teleport on you, have a bead on your head in air and at every angle on the ground. Being shot before u even come around the corner. Etc. Etc.
Trust me. I want dedicated servers filled with bracket based matches. But bungie will tell u its one thing while doing sleight of hand with another.
Sbmm was a joke to begin with. Nothing really has changed. You just have an opening to complain about some aspect you didnt see justifiable till now.
There has always been mercies of this level you just werent up here to see it. There have always been teams who stomp. You just werent up high enough to feel it.
The only true taste of that most of u got was through trials and trials was being put on blast before this change was implemented.
So. As I usually say to you folks.
Welcome to the rodeo.
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https://www.dexerto.com/amp/destiny/destiny-2-hits-crucible-player-record-after-bungie-disables-sbmm-1387826
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7 RepliesI am loving the hell out of Crucible with CBMM. SBMM i didnt have issues either but damn its great
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1 ReplyWith these changes I may be able to see a 2.0 KDA ratio. o.o Sure it ain't a 2.0 KD ratio but coming from a .7 KD in the early days of destiny... I'd say I put in some work. Sadly my 360 stats are lost to time Fkin Bungo 🤬
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1 ReplyMy kda went up to a 2.1 this season so I can’t complain
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1 ReplyIt's fantastic 🍿
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1 Replyhttps://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/256547650/0/0 definitely Cbmm is the way to go lol crucible numbers are at an all time high, and even yesterday actually had the highest amount of players in iron banner in d2 history lol
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1 Reply[quote]Seeing the concentrated sweat and rage of what top tiers have dealt with for years saturating into the casuals and simps. The people who hid behind their fortress of casual perception truly understanding what destiny has been all along. Meta abuse. And speed teams who some how just teleport on you, have a bead on your head in air and at every angle on the ground. Being shot before u even come around the corner. Etc. Etc. Trust me. I want dedicated servers filled with bracket based matches. But bungie will tell u its one thing while doing sleight of hand with another. Sbmm was a joke to begin with. Nothing really has changed. You just have an opening to complain about some aspect you didnt see justifiable till now. There has always been mercies of this level you just werent up here to see it. There have always been teams who stomp. You just werent up high enough to feel it. The only true taste of that most of u got was through trials and trials was being put on blast before this change was implemented. So. As I usually say to you folks. Welcome to the rodeo.[/quote] "Simp" is a very strong word. Why would you use such a term? This is a game. It's supposed to be fun. Can we blame casual players for thinking getting stomped on isn't Fun? Nothing fun or casual about that.
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9 RepliesAs do I, anyone who thinks SBMM can 1v1 me.
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1 ReplyEdited by BOSS_TPH76: 7/3/2020 11:23:35 AMNobody denies any of that happening at the higher tiers. But since all the higher tiers have been arguing since before D2 came out was the total removal of sbmm...the counter has always been "so you just want everybody else to suffer and reverse the experience" So...when you say "you enjoy us finally experiencing the same shit and learning how it was for the higher tier"... We knew. We agreed. We always said we didn't want that. However... It is THEIR pushed solution that divided the community and made it very hard to sympathise with the higher tier players: *Because they argued vehemently that their leisure should come at lower tier players expense.* "Gut gud n00b, scrub, potato!" Even to this day...the open and outright contempt for lower tier players and dismissal of their concerns is so pervasive that it proves the main drive against sbmm has never been about improving the overall experience for everybody...but has always been predominantly motivated by a one sided selfish, ego driven application of a double standard. "I had to play sweaty matches all the time before and got stomped and mercied all the time and it was no fun......so you, in that situation I don't want for myself, just need to git gud and stop whining, like I did for three tears straight. How else will you learn?" Uhuh. The problem, from the start, has never been that lower tier players didn't know or understand what was happening at the skilled and higher tier end of the community....it has always been that proposed solutions that didn't completely leave them at the mercy of higher tier players were outright rejected, ridiculed and dismissed...because nothing short of pure cbmm and complete removal of any player protection was ever good enough. So we stopped caring.
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3 RepliesThe only way PvP stays healthy in any game is if everyone that participates gets to have some fun.
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8 RepliesEdited by iliopoulosXD: 7/2/2020 7:17:03 PMI think we just dont like having to have push push push sweaty matches win or lose in a quickplay mode. It's that simple. If you experience that on the higher end of pvp competitive play. That's where it belongs. Not lopsided sweats in the casual quickplay modes. That's not sour grapes. That's not a complaint. That's an observation. Anyway. It is what it is. I'm more disgusted with the meta. Having ARs dominate really make it effective for fireteams to have one or two pusher aggressive shot gunners and a team to support spraying down and just adding dps. Hard to combat that as a solo player even back peddling or dodge jumping.
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1 ReplyUnfortunately 90% of the "top tier" players aren't even good they use mods. There are some of the top streamers and players that use mods and it's blatantly obvious as well when watching them when they stream. Missing shots by a mile and still getting the kill? Sbmm should never have been removed from quickplay lists only comp and trials should be cbmm. I am not a good PvP player but I enjoyed it and now it's just dire. PvP is just full of people cheating like f*** especially now iron banner is on. I'm also finding waiting for games even longer and when it does eventually start the amount of lag is insane and it's not my side either as I monitor my connection closely PvP is just the biggest joke right now and if it carries on like it is the low kd and casual players who pour money into the game are going to leave
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3 Replies"Welcome to the rodeo", eh? Yeah, I wouldn't count on that, at least not for long. Sure, people are playing IB now, because they need the pinnacles. But do you honestly think people are going to keep offering themselves as cannon fodder to the Virgin Sweat Squad once they reach max level? Not a chance. No one but those at the top are enjoying it. You think all these people complaining are going to continue playing this mess? People are NOT going to keep playing 6-stacks and mercies once they no longer need the gear. So, it going to be right back to the SBMM that it was before - because no one but sweats will be playing. So, enjoy your rodeo while you can, cowboy. The rest of us won't be here one second longer than we have to.
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Edited by Snow: 7/3/2020 2:22:07 AM“It happened to us therefore it has to happen to you too!” is literally the most childish shit I’ve ever seen. You’re going to have the exact same issue as before: Casual players will just stop playing Crucible, and then you’re back to sweats everytime. Yeah, you might have better connections, but those 10 minute wait times to find a game will suck.
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27 RepliesI don't usually respond to get good morons, but you truly are the most arrogant self opinionated little knob. When a casual like me runs up against a 40 flawless runs trials player then that is not matchmaking. I play crucible for fun and sbmm allowed me to compete against players of similar skill. It is mainly people like you who think cbmm is better, but if you are so special then go play comp at 5500 level or trials and stop disrespecting casuals who want to enjoy themselves and actually have a real life outside of destiny
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2 Replies[quote]Seeing the concentrated sweat and rage of what top tiers have dealt with for years saturating into the casuals and simps. The people who hid behind their fortress of casual perception truly understanding what destiny has been all along. Meta abuse. And speed teams who some how just teleport on you, have a bead on your head in air and at every angle on the ground. Being shot before u even come around the corner. Etc. Etc. Trust me. I want dedicated servers filled with bracket based matches. But bungie will tell u its one thing while doing sleight of hand with another. Sbmm was a joke to begin with. Nothing really has changed. You just have an opening to complain about some aspect you didnt see justifiable till now. There has always been mercies of this level you just werent up here to see it. There have always been teams who stomp. You just werent up high enough to feel it. The only true taste of that most of u got was through trials and trials was being put on blast before this change was implemented. So. As I usually say to you folks. Welcome to the rodeo.[/quote] This logic would make sense if it wasn’t so ridiculous. You cried because you didn’t want to play against people equal to your skill level. That says more about you than it does about us.
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6 RepliesJust curious, Do you realize that without matchmaking PVP is more likely to have less players? I dont care about the rest of your rant, I get it, whatever. But, usually people who rant like that care deeply about how 'skill based' PVP is. I generally see PVP in destiny as a mistake, load-outs based on grind already give an uneven advantage in this game, but MM at least kept things... somewhat tiered. Without it, the same thing that happened to Trials is going to happen to PVP.. less people will want to come to your dumb rodeo as you put it. If it kills PVP, good, but, just curious about your optics on the issue, seems counter intuitive..
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I’m an above average player and prefer sbmm.
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1 ReplyI don't really know about the whole, it always used to be at this level. I am friends with at least a few people who are at the very least decent at the game, such as being able to go flawless in trials and such. And even they are saying how insane the number of mercies have been. Was in a party with them just the other day, and out of all the matches they played, they had only one game that was legitimately not a mercy, along with about 2 other games they specifically tried not to mercy in (games were going by way to fast to get bounties done). Needless to say I don't think they lost a single match. Iron banner has always had a somewhat higher amount of mercies, this is true, but right now at least according to them, it is far higher than it has ever been, at least from their perspective. I am by no means good at this games PvP, which is why I tend to more so go by what my far more skilled friends are experiencing.
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7 RepliesOf course we knew about it. Thats why we didnt want it. Thats why we were happy it wasnt happening to the majority of the community. Youre just pissed because you were usded to steamrolling, inflate your ego about "being good at something" and started whining when you didnt anymore. Why do you think so many avoid crucible like the cancer it is? Because were not doing it to inflate your ego and get pubstomped, spawn killed, and stacked against. Its your -blam!-ing rodeo. Yall can have that shit. And when everyone else has left, youll be back on forums whining and acting the victim. Even after this smug as -blam!- post
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2 RepliesSo basically 6-stack steam-rollers are bad and the Destiny PvP is a chaotic janky mess that shouldn't be taken seriously. Got it. Understood.
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5 RepliesI think it's interesting to see people's take on the matter. There's a lot of build up tension over it and a lot of the arguments are quite good and some are even informative. Some are however too subjective and lacking the scope to accurately highlight anything other than the poster's own lack of understanding outside of their bubble. Here's a simple and probably repeated notion, but it's true. Average is just that, the largest pool where a value or parameter falls. Good and then great are less common and then rarer again. It can't be ignored that these truths are also applicable to the determined " skill " values of players as they enter matchmaking at any given time of the day. If the pool for matchmaking is open to all, by this law of averages it is also fairest for the largest group. There is a huge pool of players that never come here to the forums and are just playing the game. If people really want sbmm in quickplay they need to ask themselves this. Is it fair that a small % of the player pool get stuck only playing within that small % of players. Leading to bad connections and repetitive match ups on repeat? Is that their reward for being good at the game? [ B a d ][ A v e r a g e ][Good] There is a basic visual representation of the apparent " skill " pools. More players in the pool leads to faster matchmaking times and generally better connections for everyone. With the largest % of players still having competitive matches. Now if there were 10 million players entering matchmaking at any one time then yes I could get behind a more " skill" focused matchmaking bracket system for basic quickplay.
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Edited by Xeno: 7/3/2020 6:13:53 AMI laugh everytime I see a filthy casual complain about sbmm being gone. It's hilarious how Bungie isn't holding them in a rocking chair anymore and they're left on the floor crying.
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1 ReplyCrucible was cbmm until shadow keep, right?
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1 ReplySBMM all day. Call me trash and my opinion won't change. I'd rather play an even team (close game) instead of being stomped or doing the stopping; it's PvP but let people play against similar skill levels -- I feel like that about every PvP game. I play Gears 5 and some games are so close that I'm literally sweating and it's fun, that's why I love Gears. D2 has a problem where good players want a casual experience and trash players like me just want to match with other trash players. Bungie needs casual quickplay and quickplay with SBMM for the players who don't like comp or trials and casual quickplay for the people who prefer CBMM. My opinion is pointless, though, I don't play the game, but I still feel a certain type of way about SBMM vs CBMM.
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4 RepliesIts crazy but maybe give us both.
