As if it was ever fun to begin with? Pvp has always been terrible, it should just be removed so bungie can put more focus on pve. Unless bungie miraculously finds a way to make pvp enjoyable, which is unlikely considering that haven’t been able to do so for more than 5 years.

Your feelings are the same for many. Get your pinnacles, level up your character, & cash in your tokens to compete your armour set. Breathe a long sigh of relief that you’re now done with the IB. It simply isn’t fun with CBMM enabled for the majority of players. The minority PVP tryhards will say otherwise but every player like me that is average-below average feels that CBMM needs to go.

This will be the First Season that I will not set foot in Iron Banner since D1.

I agree 100%, I wish they would make a version for kids and pros who don’t have jobs and life’s and another for people that want to relax after a twelve hour day and have some fun. I am going from one game that’s half done because people are getting murdered and leaving to mid game of another that is the same way.. I guess I need to find a different game that doesn’t only cater to the teenagers that have all day to sit around playing. I have a nephew that plays quite well with the upper levels and loves the new format as he can easily get 50+ kills.

To the people saying that the OP gets to grow as a player, has to get better, or that match making is faster, I say this. I am above average, but CBMM is still problematic for me. Last night I played 10 IB matches, my KD across 10 matches was 1.85. But I lost 8/10 matches. I had to play balls to the walls to survive because my teammates were way out of their depth, they had no reason to be in those lobbies with me and I had no chance winning with them. It was not fun losing over and over again because my teammates couldn’t hang. The match making was awful. Because my teams kept getting rolled, I would have to repeatedly queue all over again, which made for longer load times. And when I did get into matches I would often be in short handed teams or loaded into matches where my team was already 30 points down. Again, my KD despite these circumstances, across 10 games, was 1.85. I know what I’m doing, but without some form of SBMM, I’m repeatedly put into teams that have no hope of winning. In the two games I won my KDs were 3.6 and 6.5. I should get to win a few games and have more tokens without having to have a 3+ KD. SBMM and CBMM shouldn’t be all or nothing. There needs to be some middle ground where SBMM is turned on, but the search parameters wide enough to pull in a large range of players while creating some semblance of even teams.

Even in a cbmm environment there needs to be team balancing of some kind. I ran my banner quest, all bounties then played some additional pvp across banner and qp. It's definitely broken, I went just over a 7.0kd(not efficiency) in the last 25 matches at 525 kills vs 75 deaths. Managed about 7/8 we Rans, even a few in banner. Lost all three we ran matches I got in banner too. Keep in mind, I solo queued only, even within banner. Team balancing needs to be a thing. While I enjoy putting up big numbers, I can't help but feel bad for others and it doesn't help me have fun, close matches.

Welcome to CBMM, where the good players pad their stats using you as bait. You aren't alone and ignore the people who try to bully or shame you.

Don't be ashamed because you are a casual player. I'm 52 with a career and family. I get to play a couple hours a night maybe 3 nights a week if I'm lucky. I see some replies saying something like It's your own fault for not practicing and getting better. Well, I'm over the hill and have limited time and what little skill I had is deteriorating. I've been playing online with Bungie since Halo 2 with two friends with whom I still play today. Crucible was part of our weekly routine until they got rid of the skill based matchmaking. It just wasn't fun getting stomped on. Iron Banner was our last bastion of Crucible fun where we could actually compete in PvP. Every once in a while one of us geezers would even get to be "the guy" in a match. Having just that opportunity makes it fun. Now that opportunity is gone. I've been getting destroyed in Iron Banner and I have not noticed any difference in wait times for games or lag. I have noticed how not fun it is. Maybe the point is to weed out the geezers or maybe Bungie doesn't have the population it needs for skill based matchmaking anymore. I wish they would make their rationale for eliminating SBMM more clear. I don't know if anyone at Bungie will read this, I hope they do. If so, please re-institute skill based matchmaking. If you don't, please let us know why. As a long time fan and customer I would appreciate it.

Call me what you will, but I consider myself a casual gamer for the most part, and I enjoy the way PvP is now, even when I do put myself at a disadvantage. I just hate in iron banner everyone is pretty much inclined to use auto rifles and or sidearms, though the issue is circumstantial as I was trying to finish a quest to get Thorn.

100% this. IB without SBMM is not fun for casual / most players. I've managed 12 games and they're all dominated by 2 or 3 players. The rest of us are getting smashed. Meaning the majority (9 or 10) of us aren't enjoying the experience. I used to really enjoy IB and played even when my bounties where finished. I can't see me bothering this time to finish any bounties. Players in glowing trials armour shouldn't be in my lobby because if they are I can't effect the game no matter how hard I try.

I wouldn’t call yourself a casual. You just enjoy the power theme in the lower tier activities. Since they ruined it in the end game. I’m the exact same. I’m here to smash, not sweat.

Isn't ib sbmm.

I'm so tired of casual players ("Casual" is not the time you spend in the crucible but the unwillingness to improve) coming to the forums and complaining that they are exposed to the "real world" instead of the "safe space" Bungie comforted them in. This "entitlement culture" is what is killing modern PvP games. You can't demand to be able to do ANYTHING without practice. "Git gud", mate and practice. Just play competitive, Elimination and you'll feel good about yourself again. These modes are sbmm. EDIT: To all the "Einsteins" that don't get a simple analogy: "Real-world" implies the unfiltered experience inside the game. It DOES NOT mean the physical world. LOL! And before whining be sure to have at least 50 hours of PvP under your belt or you're just another "Man-Karen" demanding to speak to the manager. He's not in today he's busy ordering more participation trophies.