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Edited by Eric Hernz:
10/19/2020 1:40:29 AM
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Vaulting Content= Stealing From Paying Customers
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After finishing D1, I finally purchased the physical version of D2 with all DLC up until Forsaken. I’m 54 and I have a very demanding job that sometimes does not allow me to play any video game. When much later I found time to play the game, surprise, none of it was playable. Now, please someone explain me how not being able to play my $60 value is right if they changed the nature of the game and I just have to accept it.
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1 ReplyWhy don’t they vault the oldest expansion but give you the option to re-download any of the vaulted expansions to play whenever. Then they could avoid lawsuits, save money, and make everyone happy. Kind of like how Call of Duty lets you download or un-download different parts of the game like multiplayer, campaign, and zombies.
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There are lawsuits against Apple and Amazon about paid content being removed. They tried arguing the small print, but so far the courts are siding with the customers. Most Bungie customers imagined that change meant weapons and armor would change, not that entire planets, major parts of paid expansions, would disappear. It has cost Bungie a lot of good will and a lot of people will no longer buy temporary content. I sure won’t.
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48 RepliesGo back and read your End Users License Agreement (EULA). That electronic document you signed before they’ll let you play the game: 1. You did not buy the game or any part of it. Bungie owns those intellectual property rights. 2. What you bought was a [i]license[/i] to play the game called “Destiny 2.” 3. You agreed that Bungie reserves the right to decide what “the game” is. Which means they don’t need your permission to add things to the game, or to remove things from the game as they see fit. You have no claim. Especially since what they are removing is content that they’ve been giving away for free for the last year...and it’s being done to clear space so that they can add new content to the game.
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No one should feel like "HELL YEAH they are vaulting content," but I accept the reasoning they gave behind it. Especially since they seem to be getting much more serious about the turnaround time for bugs and such. All that extra stuff that no one really uses would just add to that turnaround time or increase the risk that one bug spawns another bug. And that's womanpower that can be used for something else now.
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1 ReplyOh hey zero upvotes I wonder why
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Read your user agreement! You do not own anything in Destiny, you bought access to play the game content. Game content that bungie can legally change. Get over yourself. You agreed to the terms of the User Agreement when you first started Destiny 1 & 2 and have been agreeing to it multiple times throughout the past 5 years.
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4 RepliesEdited by Necrogen: 6/20/2020 8:33:55 AM[quote] Bungie must receive a CLEAR message that “vaulting” content IS stealing. As a comparison: If you purchased an album, would you be okay if the artist came and took away a song, and banned you from listening to it even on the internet? If you purchased a movie would you allow the studio to come and take away even a SECOND of it. It is the EXACT same with any electronic consumer product that we purchase, video games included. When you purchase an album, movie or game, the purchaser, BY RIGHT, can enjoy this content, whenever they want, and as often as they want. To take this away, is stealing, and infringes on their rights as a consumer.[/quote] You don't understand that you bought a license to have [b][i]access[/i][/b] to [u][i][b]a live service game that changes at will[/b][/i][/u]. That is not the same as buying an album or a movie as you put it. When you own the movie you own the movie. When you own an album you own an album. You've been playing their game for 5 years and the EULA says [u][i][b]the same thing[/b][/i][/u] and now all of a sudden it's a problem? You're not paying a subscription fee. The vaulted content is 1. Shown to not even being played anymore 2. Has been made free. 3. Will be disconnected from the servers once they end the game forever.
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3 RepliesThe game is too big. I'm fine of they remove stuff and give us alternative stuff to play.
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Go read the ToS then come back and try this again. It's made crystal clear that they are well within their rights to do whatever they want with the content of the game. You DO NOT OWN the content... you merely paid for the rights to play the content that bungie chooses.
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Stop holding on to your receipt Karen
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you are sadly un-educated. did you not read the terms of service/end user LICENSE agreement you agreed to? as others have stated you paid for a license to play bungie's content. you did NOT purchase any content.
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You pay for a license, not the game unfortunately. It's a live service.
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I understand why people think that way. But you have to consider that you/we never paid to have everything forever. And you have to consider that they don't do it without a reason. People think that Bungie is evil and wants us to suffer. Listen to their arguments, they are doing it for us.
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You pay a fee for the right to play their content, you own nothing. Want proof? Unplug that ethernet cable/turn off the Wifi and enjoy all the Destiny 2 content you own.
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1 ReplyDelete your entire last paragraph, champ. Not relevant and not an accurate comparison. Meanwhile, I can't wait for Mars, Io, Titan and -blam!-ING MERCURY to disappear from the director.
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Uhhh if I can lose a useless and bland area like Titan so there is room for another Dreaming City quality area sign me up. I'm all for losing stuff i paid for that I don't use in exchange for free additional content that's actually interesting. If you're upset about that, idk what to tell you.
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13 RepliesEdited by Ken_Malibu: 6/20/2020 9:08:50 AMThat which you do not own cannot be stolen.
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40 RepliesEdited by Chomper: 12/17/2020 2:00:15 AM
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Crazy you think that this is wrong when you're only paying for a license.
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2 RepliesThis is my belief why they are removing content. It is not due to the size of the game. It is due to the combination of an outdated engine, poor quality control, and complex interactions. This has led to the game becoming highly susceptible to bugs. The content removal is being done to remove a significant amount of coding in the attempt to simplify the program. Thus reducing bugs, making updates easier, and making the overall game easier to port to the new engine as the new consoles come out. But, this is just my opinion.
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Sound like you got a case, you going to make a class action lawsuit?
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Ngl I see no problem in vaulting destinations and activities since I’d rather have new stuff to do and not have a 200gb game in my collection. The content that was released is collecting dust. The only thing that we still use is guns like the Ikelos but we can get them in their 2.0 version now. Just because they’re vaulting doesn’t mean it’s gone for good. Personally, I like repetitive content like Escalation Protocol but it’s become so tedious after 2 years considering there is no benefit from doing so
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4 RepliesYou don’t have a “right” to content in a live service game. The whole idea of the game is that things are constantly being updated and changed, that includes rotation of content. The fact of the matter is that Titan, Io, Mercury, and Mars are stale locations with no real benefit to the players experience. Bungie realizes this. Removing locations is not an attempt to rip-off players, it is an attempt to make storage for new and better content. There is of course an alternative option, in where Bungie keeps all of the D2 content where it is, and instead releases D3 in place, once again resetting all of the community’s player progress and forcing everyone to start from complete scratch. But hey, at least in this situation you can still endlessly patrol the content packed docks of Titan alone.
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You didn't purchase the game though.
