update: getting several feedbacks here, I tried to find some groups for raids, but most never worked. RAIDS: * I joined a clan a year ago there was never a movement to make end game content, I went after the owner of this clan, I even managed to do 2 raids, since the game was released (2017) this year what I managed to do (2023). * This is the most unfair point in the game I tried 3 clans in 7 years, none of them worked. * In this last clan, people pulled me into the content they wanted to play, but the activities I asked for help, people ignored. DUNGEONS: * the older ones are easy to do solo, the newer ones can also be persistent. Summary: Game still punishes if you're not part of groups (I understand all the raid arguments and mechanics), but couldn't Bungie do something to help instead of telling players to go look for players in the LFG? Dungeons was the best point here, challenging content good rewards (Duality and Sentinel Spire). it took 7 years to make a raid, I still think it's wrong to pay for content, and need other players to access certain content within the game. I came back to play solo again (within the last clan I already played solo so I left) I can only be satisfied that I'm not going to play raids, and that there are dungeons that even have good rewards. Even though Bungie looks at this post they don't pay attention to that kind of thing.

2022 and I still 100% agree. They sold the witch queen and the 30th anniversary and the content they promised in them are locked behind multi-player activities. I find it hilarious how Bungie has pulled away from social media due to their toxic players but yet expect us to put up with them. If I pay for something, I expect to get it. I don't care if the ones with no lives and the 100+ buddies don't like it.

Idk about the new one, but good pve players can easily solo both dungeons. I’m not some kind of master but I’ve soloed both a few times.

At a high enough power lvl you can definitely solo dungeons. Raids are 6 man activities.

Sorry, but you are going to need to find some friends to play with if you want to do raids. They are the best content in the game, and the teamwork required is a large part of why this is true.

i would agree if i still played. one of the reasons i didnt do raids was the ban policy bungies adopted. i stopped doing strikes and any other fireteam activity due to that. the people who downvote you are all people who think raid gear marks them as special. its a mark allowing them in their own minds to overcome their low self esteem and say 'im better than you because i got in a group using LFG and do raids'. not because raids are any challenge. you could probably count those who just enjoy raids as less than 100. the rest want destiny to be the exclusive bragging rights club the 200 or so of them are the only ones to play. they dont stop and think everyone who paid has an equal right to the content they paid for. they dont stop and think that destiny would kill bungie off and itself if only the snobs are left to play, because bungie caved to them and made it a purely hardcore only game. i see no issue with a soloable version of raids, or once overleveled being able to do outbreak perfected content. they could lock away catalysts if they wanted wouldnt have bothered me. but raid get raid gear already (another thing i could care less about. most doesnt look that impressive to me, which proves its all about putting others down why people want raid gear in the main). for me its about exploring those levels. and you can easily explain it. you are scouting the location for the raiding groups which come later. this gives bungie the opportunity to tune the raid level, so solo player will have a route past the puzzles, but which either collapses, as the solo player uses it, or they mark for the report by ghost saying the raid can use this to bypass that dangerous trap... and then in the raid your ghosts would say 'the shortcut is blocked. guess they figured out how the scout got past. so it would be possible for us to be able to do strikes over levelled, simply by chosing a power level of the strike and solo mode. raids could be 'tuned' and slightly altered. hell you could even make solo mode triumphs and gear for soloing raid levels - but not have them be counted as having done the raid. so there is no reason for anyone to complain 'shouldnt get endgame gear without doing endgame content' this is always proof its about putting others down, than because raids are great to play for those people. because just being in my clan i got raid gear rewards. i didnt have to do the raids myself at all. they never complain about that for some reason. maybe they got theirs the same way.

No one is crying in WoW or any other MMO that they can't do +30 man raids solo.... So why does Destiny always needs to be an exception for the people who never played an MMO like game before? The game was always advertises as a multiplayer and coop online game. Bad experiences are part of a gamers life, just as good. There are people WILLING to teach you stuff all over the internet. But using LFG groups who asked for experienced players is not a good idea.

The activities are made for groups not solo play. I'd like it if raids were soloable but not made easy enough to solo without the experience practice required like VoG in D1. At the end of the day this game's endgame is made for mostly groups of players. Not solo play

Just because you buy something doesn’t mean its for you. Simple as that. A easy example could be, You buy a pool table but dont want to play with friends. Now you are mad that you cant play by yourself (technically you could but) will you get mad that you bought something designed with more then 1 person in mind to use. Destiny its constantly advertised as a multiplayer game every trailer for gameplay has more then 1 guardian runnin around and shooting stuff, and when they advertise endgame activities they enter with FULL teams. If they cater to solo players then multiplayer aspects will become much to easy for the main playerbase

Dungeons could be match made. They are way harder than strikes but take less coordination than raids. They could give both options. Match made and what we have now.

You are both preaching to the choir and barking up the wrong tree at the same time. This has always been an issue with Destiny. The game is for everyone and no one at the same time. They could easily provide alternate versions of activities and alternate paths of acquisition that balance challenge against amount of rewards and time to acquisition. They’d get A LOT more play time out of people if they did. Instead, many players are left with 2 bad choices. 1. Begrudgingly spend hours in an activity that they don’t enjoy at all. 2. Miss out on story/lore and loot. This is unnecessary. It’s rigid and actually deters people from spending more time playing the game or even from playing it at all. I’ll never understand it. It’s such a bad game model.

I agree that so much of the content is reliant on other people. I remember back in D1 where people wouldn't let you Raid with them if you didn't have Gjallarhorn or Ice Breaker. I don't have Whisper or Outbreak either. I would be happy getting the weapon, don't care that much about the catalyst as I do getting the weapon. Also, some of us (made the mistake of) playing on Stadia...Yea, don't recommend that. The only reason I signed up with Stadia is because I wanted to see how it was. Was it good? Was it bad? Was it passable? If you don't have a gaming PC, it's okay...but if you do have a gaming PC, no use in using Stadia despite getting the entire Destiny 2 game (with all expansions and season pass) for $10/month. But as a result, so few people are on Stadia..getting into a crucible match can take 30+ minutes! I get timed out...as a result, I have no hope of getting Recluse or any other glory dependent weapons. I can't get the catalyst for Witherhoard because you need 100 guardian kills...sure, I could use Gambit, but you're going to get WAAAY more guardian kills in Rumble. Finding a team for dungeons? HA! That also means I can't get Izunagi's Burden, Wish Ender, 1K Voices, etc....I'm not good enough to solo these raids, Stadia skips/freezes/glitches at the worst times (ie, in the middle of a jumping puzzle or when there is a hoard of enemies around you....Also, getting a team for Reckoning? (Especially Tier 2) is virtually impossible. I know this has been more of a post against playing on Stadia, but it's still a lot of content that needs other players to do, but it's hard to do when there is very little people on Stadia...

I could never understand.... I can do a NF solo but not ordinary strikes??????

While I have no complaints with dungeons as I think they are the right difficulty for soloing, I miss the days when you could solo raids if you knew exactly what you were doing and made no mistakes. Even if you aren't solo, raiding with smaller groups was fun.

If they made a scenario to taste it (only see part of it), it could work as a strike or an heroic mission for flashpoints. So at least people would be able to get a glimpse of it. Otherwise, the issue with raids and dungeons is that it would be way less spicy if you know everything beforehand or is too easy to be solo there. And it would kill the multiplayer part of the game. I agree the lfg could be added in-game though. Or linked in a more efficient way to the game. (It's weird to be forced to type an id by hand after registering on the lfg) All that said, I agree it is a shame such an amount of work is used by 2% of players (for raids).

Dungeons are already doable solo. That’s what makes them so great. 👍 Fun to run the homies through them too though.

They made dungeons. You want content you can solo, others want content that requires groups.

If you’re on PS4, I’ll happily help you with Zero Hour, Whisper Mission, and the dungeons (not Prophecy, I’m not high enough). We don’t even need to be in party for those if you’re uncomfortable with that. I’m sorry, but raids were not meant for solo play. It’s as simple as that.