The mighty wall of text...all hail!

Call me crazy but I don’t really see the big issue with recovs. I mean morally I can, I can see why someone would say why people shouldn’t be able to buy someone to do something for them on a video game. But in game if you match someone on a recov its not like you can be like “ugh these damn recovs are the reason we’re losing!” because if someone is better than you you would lose anyway no matter whose account they are on.

Its what happens when people get coddled with Sbmm lmao anyone who you run into that is actually good at the game must be an account recovery huh? Lmao seems to me someone's getting too many L's in comp. Sure account recovery is an issue but I don't think it should be priority trying to figure out how to counter it as resources should be to making more content

Account recv is nothing bungie can do against they thing why is because if I play on someone accounts it’s the same as sitting next to someone and grabbing his controller. It’s fundamentally unpredictable unpunishble.. the other fact about glory matchmaking. This is how bungie matchmaking works. It’s does not go by glory it go’s by skill. Luke Smith conforms this a few months back. Now you and me text to this as I should then get 2 equal teammates against 3 also equal team players.. butt this only works with a really high player base. However this is how it works on a lower player base. For example you are a 3.0 kd player and there are 3 1.5 kd players add 2 0.5 kd players throw them in a mix this is what you get you ass a 3.0 player will get the 2 0.5 kd players this will add up to a total of 4.0, the other team will get the 3 x 1.5 kd players and this will make for a 4.5 kd total against you’re 4.0 this in bungie eyes is fair sbmm lobby balance match making.. that this will mean that you’re 0.5 kd players will only have 50 glory points is something that will be undervalue by bungie. Hope this info helps you.

1) Bungie's matchmaking is bad because they weight their lobbies - just like everything in their game - nothing is organic and no one 'earns' anything. They have catch-up mechanics for everything and their systems regularly work against each other 2) what do you care of recovs? If Bungie had actual true SBMM, this wouldn't be an issue ... BUT ... they have their 'hybrid' which has been repeatedly shown to be flawed - and exploitable - your issue shouldn't be with those that have more disposable income than you, it should be with Bungie and their refusal to change the matchmaking 3) people have alt accounts, I have three that I play on regularly, bought the season pass, etc. When I'm on my alt accounts, I do have the occasional good game against blueberries but again, that's not my fault, that's Bungie's ... their matchmaking logic needs more logic.

So far as I've reread, playing on another persons account isn't a violation of any agreement, but a commercial use of such (EG: person A paying person B to play X mode, then person A recovers their account.) is when it violates the Terms of Service/Use that everyone is required to accept. It would be a violation on both parties as well, the customer and provider. [quote]PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE LIMITATION Unless otherwise specified, the Bungie Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. Except as expressly provided in these Terms, you may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Bungie Services.[/quote] As far as I'm aware, "account recoveries" are generally paid services, so it seems kind of moot to consider whether or not the recovery is in violation of any agreement. [url]https://www.bungie.net/7/en/Legal/Terms[/url]

🤦‍♂️SBMM will have a rise in recoveries because good players will match potatoes on a potato account.

There’s nothing bungie can do for recoveries. Unless Microsoft/Sony/steam make it so your profile can’t be signed into another console/pc. In survival they made an algorithm that sees how you play normally but if you appear to go way above normally your matchmaking algorithm will change. It doesn’t affect who recoved your acct it’s supposed to hurt the person who gave up his /her acct info.

[quote]When is Bungie going to talk about account recovery and the impact it has on balancing and matchmaking? Matchmaking doesn’t work if the top players are playing on lower tier account! I don’t understand how this is still a thing? That’s why this game has doesn’t have SBMM in ALL playlists? Clearly the classic mix is still SBMM cause those are the worse connection games for me and the streams I have watched. this games matchmaking foundation destroyed by hacking and recoveries. The player population will continue to shrink because no one whether high skill or low skill can tell honestly what’s legit and what isn’t. I was playing a match the other night and for whatever the reason I matched with much lower teammates glory wise and the other team had way below stats, different clans, running blues with excellent game knowledge. I knew what was up, but the teammates were calling them out for cheating. Even brought up their stats which is why I looked. Point being if it was ok by bungie players wouldn’t have to be a quiet about it and put it in their steam name or something so that and the untrained eye can see the difference. Between recovery and aim bot/hacker. As it stands now The thrill of great shots are gone, and even myself rather than saying nice great shot, I find myself wondering if they are aimbotting. Which makes me think they think the same about me. That sucks as a feeling IMO BLUF: I would like Bungie to address recovs, as far as are they allowed if so great, that way it doesn’t have to be hidden and people can title it or whatever so that people aren’t looking at stats and then reporting for cheating. Bungie tends to walk a line where they don’t like to commit to one side or the other on a lot of things.[/quote] You think Bungie cares?? There’s adds for carry services on freakin Destiny tracker for Christ’s sakes. They know about it. Hell I bet you anything some Bungie employees provide the service themselves.

Nobody can really do anything about account recoveries if the recov gods that are taking over are playing fair and not cheating. Think about it like this. Its like having a friend over whos better at the game play on your account for you. Hes not cheating, yet hes playing on your account either as a favor or you paid him for his services. You can also make the point as signing to your account on another device. Nobody can really know whether its you or not. Like for instance you are visiting a family member on a different state and you left your ps4 at home. Your cousin has a ps4 and allows you to sign in to your account on their console. The point is, no matter who is behind the controller and the screen, if they play fair and square and follow the rules, nobody can do nothing about that except make these types of services illegal.

Tldr? Walls of text are not happening for me.

It's like smerfing in csgo so unless it's every single person doing it bungie won't do shit about it.

it should be bannable the amount of hackers doing paid recoverys is just absurd