Sorry to burst your bubble but usually what is PvE meta isn’t PvP meta and usually PvE meta gets nerfed way more often than PvP - I have even quoted bungie from many different TWABs where they straight tell you “we want end game activities like raids and nightfalls to feel challenging” right before they nerf all your guns and sometimes our guns that are PvP meta get caught up in the mix. In fact, I believe they said this exact thing once again in a TWAB or the directors cut - something that came out in the past month at least. Shotguns get buffed for PvE - everyone uses Ikelos, shotguns get nerfed. Snipers get buffed for PvE, everyone uses snipers, they get nerfed. They release a cool new exotic (like when they released sleeper and whisper) - they get nerfed again because of PvE. Everything for PvE gets nerfed into the ground making Izi the king of DPS... it gets nerfed. You do realize that recluse didn’t get nerfed for 3 seasons and it wasn’t until that third season (season 8) when everyone in PvE used recluse in every PvE activity almost exclusively that it ended up getting nerfed. If anything, PvP people should be pissed at PvE players for getting their stuff nerfed. Why are PvE players so salty and refuse to take the blame for anything. It’s always “I hate crucible so I’m going to blame it for all the nerfs in this game! It shouldn’t even be a part of destiny!” And the good ole “hardly anyone even plays crucible” Had this argument with some PvE know it all the other day - according to actual stats that are reported by 3rd party sites, on average 40+% of players across all platforms play crucible and 87% play PvE - on top of that, 95% that play crucible also play PvE (there’s usually a lot of people who apparently just log in and don’t do anything or just play gambit/gambit prime every week according to stats - I don’t get it, but it happens). People who play this game for crucible have to play PvE to farm high stat gear, MW mats, and meta weapons to compete. It’s actually kind of funny because ever since trials was announced its returning next season (less than a week away), crucible numbers actually dropped and PvE numbers (nightfalls especially) jumped. I mean seriously, how many people you see in the crucible running nature of the beast, or autumn wind, or retro futurist? Sure you’ll come across players running revoker with NF/Luna but are they wearing crucible armor? Where did they get their mindbenders from or all those mats to MW their armor? Where did their spare rations drop from, or their dust rock blues? What about their beloved sniper rifles? Did those drop in crucible? How about their high stat exotics? I guarantee you those didn’t drop from crucible matches.

How do you become hero withpout hardships to overcome ?

Bungie isn't just nerfing things in PvP though. They've been nerfing things solely because of PvE for a year now, things like whisper, trench barrel, luna factions, well, izanagi's, grenade launchers, buffs/debuffs, etc. Not saying they haven't nerfed things because of PvP in the last year, but not everything is nerfed because of PvP.

Question though : at what point does the "power fantasy" get too far out of hand?

You are part of the problem. While I agree PvP and PvE need to be balanced separately PvP has never been the focus of this game. You PvE Extremists are just mad that the PvP people are finally getting an endgame mode with gear that you probably won’t get. Your like toddlers throwing tantrums because somebody got a new toy. PvE is still super easy and in no way getting overly hard in any aspect.

While I do agree to an extent, PVE balancing has actually become a thing. The whole notion of power creep and content being "too easy" has gained traction. Bungie is trying to please 3 separate communities all at once: The massive group of casual enthusiasts that want to log on, crush aliens, get loot and log off to go to bed. The competitive PVE players who seek challenge in video games because they don't do anything else. And the competitive PvP players who stub their toe on a rock, get team shot to death and come here to cry about how Destiny PvP is such a poor experience. Casual enthusiasts want power, competitive PVE'ers want challenge/exclusive rewards and PvP'ers pretend to want balance while using every exploit the game has to offer. How TF do you balance around all that?

Lmao. 980s can be completed in under 10 min by a half competent team and you’re worried about not being power enough?

Bungie: trials is returning! Also bungie: nerf everything incase it causes issues in trials! Community: I don't even play pv..... oh what's the point

Pve is literally dogshit easy

I absolutely hate pvp. Its just the most hideous and non fun experience I have ever had from a game and apart from Iron Banner is completely pointless. I'm not very happy I grinded the Mountain Top and Recluse, the Mountain Top was a a** to get and now I won't be able to use them in end game content, instead I'm going to have to use some dog shit redskind Death Adder ot Ratler. Never again will I do another shitty quest step for a weopon. Just about to get Izzy and the news come out and just dismantled the quest step. What's the point. Now spent a couple of hours and got Divinity and we all know how that's going to end up don't we..... Shoved in the vault with the rest of the shit

Sorry that is never going to happen you see 1% of the player population meaning the sweatys, streamers, cheaters and sherpers all demanded that Trials come back and Bungie gave them what they wanted. This season is going to be a complete disaster for Bungie. I predict a drop of 50% in the player base because of their insistence on catering to only 1% of the player population.

- PvE & PvP need to have separate sandboxes. - Console & PC need to have separate sandboxes. Not sure how this is not common sense for Bungie.

Hence why bungie is losing players day by day.

PVE and PVP balancing absolutely needs to be separated, as does PC and Console balancing really

It’s way to easy right now. We’ve already been in power creep for at least 3 months if not since September. Nerfs are necessary when new content comes out to replace the old. In Destiny 1, people were Sherpas all the time. Content was slightly harder but felt so damn good to finally beat something. New content should not be an immediate fall over, right now things are fluffy stuffed animals because of power creep. If you want to feel like a legend, things must be harder when completed or you will not get that feeling. I don’t feel powerful shooting level 1 dregs all day. I feel powerful being under leveled and saying F you to a high leveled boss I just killed.