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10/12/2010 3:15:29 PM
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I did my research, emiles skull carving DOES affect his vision.
[url=http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9775/reache310firefightbeach.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.forgehub.com/forum/halo-reach-discussion/99635-halo-reach-new-armour-6.html&usg=__MvEn093YhYpcyhTuDx4vVZyxoXU=&h=360&w=640&sz=142&hl=en&start=0&sig2=X1XyJSwZV_vO6wrIudBzYQ&zoom=1&tbnid=VRNyCUEKlkLxUM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=157&ei=KGy0TNmrJ8v0cM2RlKEI&prev=/images%3Fq%3Demile%2Bskull%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D667%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=333&vpy=224&dur=2411&hovh=168&hovw=300&tx=154&ty=70&oei=KGy0TNmrJ8v0cM2RlKEI&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0] this is what emile sees through his visor[/url]
well, MAYBE NOT EXACTLY THAT but you get my point. his skull carving does affect his peripheral vision. he CANNOT see through the carvings.
it is physically impossible to see through a carving that deep on any transparent material.
and dont say "the image is projected onto the inside of his visor so the scratches dont change anything". this is bull excrement, and is completely redundant.
if this were true there would be no need for any of the spartans to have a visor since they could all increase their safety by installing "these" into their helmets.
EDIT: although im saying it affects his vision, im not denying his badassery. hes so badass that he can shotty snipe a covanant platoon with less than half his vision.
EDIT: i know that is not exactly what he sees, its just thats the only picture i can find. my point is that the carving affects his peripheral vision and some scratched out parts of the visor will block his view.
[Edited on 10.12.2010 7:59 AM PDT]
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*****SPOLILER****** Maybe Emile should have carved eyes on the BACK of his helmet, then he would have seen that Elite coming. BOOYAH!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Goggin Who gives a -blam!-.[/quote] Apparently alot of people Mr.Paperbrain
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He'll probably see transparent parts of the carving towards the edges, but he'll still be able to see all of the scenery. If you had one eye, then yeah it'd look like that, but with two eyes, an image that close to you can't be focused. Parallax saved Emiles life, basically.
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Who gives a -blam!-.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sims3k although there are alot of technical advancements, being able to see through a damaged visor is not possible. if i completely scratched out your glasses lens piece, can you see though it? no the same applies in the future, if i completely scratch out your visor can you see through it? no the only reason emiel can see through his visor is cause he left little eye holes to see through, my point is that becasue he has to look through these eye holes, his peripheral vision is gone.[/quote] No, it's not practical and yes, it does impair his vision in some way. To those saying that SPARTANs have the image projected onto their visor, you need to consider the following: an overarching tenet in their training is that machines break. To have their vision completely rely on external cameras is a stupid, stupid thing. We also see them in the novels polarizing their visor in bright conditions--why would they need to do this if they could just turn the brightness down? Their helmets do use cameras, yes. This is how the HUD detects field elements such as enemy targets and the like, and enables them to zoom in. But to have a helmet relying entirely on external cameras, especially on the field where plasma burns and EMPs are commonplace, is just impractical and stupid. That said, Emile's visor doesn't completely cut out his peripheral vision. His EVA helmet allows him a wider field of vision than the others. While the scratched out portions create blind spots for him, his full-enclosure visor more than compensates. Depending on how close his eyes are to the faceplate it may not even affect his vision as much as we assume. [Edited on 10.12.2010 8:32 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Delahunt arguments for the OP: On Lone Wolf, when your visor cracks the area around it is distorted. This is also the case in Deliver Hope when we see through Kat's broken visor. Huds can be overlayed without actually changing projection, and zoom could be something that turns on, but by default is off. Something that actually makes sense, since you don't want to have issues seeing the threat right in front of you due to an EMP during a warzone. (For an example of how disorienting that can be, look at the end of Dark Knight). Against the OP You have a full breadth of vision when you play the game, and we see this full breadth all the time, despite the fact that some helmets have larger visors than others. Recon, for instance, has a fairly small visor compared to say Eva, and yet you can see the exact same amount. If you've ever worn a helmet, you'd know that up and down can be quite restricted with a helmet on. Scout and Grenadier should also have issue with this. Also, Mjolnir Mk VI shows the lines, but you can see through that area. This all suggests that there is some sort of overlay inside the helmet that shows everything. In this case, the visor could be explained to make the helmet aesthetically pleasing. Aesthetics in this case could be good, as you don't want to creep the hell out of your allies by making it look like your super soldier can't see/has no eyes. It also could work as a back up, giving restricted but still able to see vision even if something happens to the helmet. This is also supported by lonewolf, where damage to one part of the visor can remove the ammo counter from the other side, which fades slowly. Distortion then shows up. This could just be that distortion isn't noticed until the hud element has faded however. Anyhow. Just felt like geeking out too.[/quote] ok i understand your points but that would mean the incoming image is being captured from the camera attached to the side of his head. wouldnt that affect his perception since he would have to constantly tilt his head to see whats directly infront if him. it would just throw his balance off
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arguments for the OP: On Lone Wolf, when your visor cracks the area around it is distorted. This is also the case in Deliver Hope when we see through Kat's broken visor. Huds can be overlayed without actually changing projection, and zoom could be something that turns on, but by default is off. Something that actually makes sense, since you don't want to have issues seeing the threat right in front of you due to an EMP during a warzone. (For an example of how disorienting that can be, look at the end of Dark Knight). Against the OP You have a full breadth of vision when you play the game, and we see this full breadth all the time, despite the fact that some helmets have larger visors than others. Recon, for instance, has a fairly small visor compared to say Eva, and yet you can see the exact same amount. If you've ever worn a helmet, you'd know that up and down can be quite restricted with a helmet on. Scout and Grenadier should also have issue with this. Also, Mjolnir Mk VI shows the lines, but you can see through that area. This all suggests that there is some sort of overlay inside the helmet that shows everything. In this case, the visor could be explained to make the helmet aesthetically pleasing. Aesthetics in this case could be good, as you don't want to creep the hell out of your allies by making it look like your super soldier can't see/has no eyes. It also could work as a back up, giving restricted but still able to see vision even if something happens to the helmet. This is also supported by lonewolf, where damage to one part of the visor can remove the ammo counter from the other side, which fades slowly. Distortion then shows up. This could just be that distortion isn't noticed until the hud element has faded however. Anyhow. Just felt like geeking out too.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZonixZZ As another comment stated... The year is 2552, I'm SURE of that they probably came up with a solution to things that seem impossible today eh? Well yes if you can make a targeting system inside a helmet to show tags, enemies, ammo, shields, vital system of your body, and a shield armor, then I'm SURE of you can carv something onto your helmet without being visually impaired.[/quote] although there are alot of technical advancements, being able to see through a damaged visor is not possible. if i completely scratched out your glasses lens piece, can you see though it? no the same applies in the future, if i completely scratch out your visor can you see through it? no the only reason emiel can see through his visor is cause he left little eye holes to see through, my point is that becasue he has to look through these eye holes, his peripheral vision is gone.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZonixZZ But wait OP, I have a question, WHY did Emile carve ( I think I spelled that wrong >_>) a skull onto his helmet? I'd like the story behind Emile's actions, was it like I said, a memory of something, like war or a loss, or a sign for something or his own custom painting? I know its really bad to talk about CoD but im gonna use this as an example xD Ghost, in MW2 had a skull on his face armor/helmet probably as a custom painting, and I guess thats kind of against the law aswell, same concept there?[/quote] bored ass soldier with a big ass knife...do the math
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in regards to WHY emile put a skull on his helmet. i cant think of any reason. but i cn think of why bungie put it there. to make him badass. his helmet makes him the "extremist" character of the story.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VanAlioSaldo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZonixZZ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VanAlioSaldo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xFRESH [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grayfur Who really cares? Honestly.[/quote] Really, someone created a thread that has people responding to it... so APPARENTLY people care. It's a -blam!- forum, used to debate/talk about things. GTFO if you are going to have no worthwhile contribution to the thread. [/quote] ^^I like you. I see what you are saying, but then why'd he carve it on his helmet?[/quote] Maybe just like Captain Keyes opinion in the books, he admired his war painting on his ship, even if it was against the law. Maybe Emile had his reasons, maybe he admired it, maybe it's a sign of something, maybe a memory. Idk. Whatever made him do it, I guess.[/quote] Let me reword that >.< Why'd he do it if it'd mess up his vision? He knows just as well as any other Spartan how powerful the Covenant is. Why would he impair himself like that? It makes more sense if the image was projected on the inside of the visor in this case, but who am I to know, in Halo 3 you could literally see the edged of MC's visor just barely as transparent lines (Mark VI has that kind of design that has lines outlining the hud areas, I'm referring to these) So why would Emile do that unless it didn't actually impair his vision?[/quote] As another comment stated... The year is 2552, I'm SURE of that they probably came up with a solution to things that seem impossible today eh? Well yes if you can make a targeting system inside a helmet to show tags, enemies, ammo, shields, vital system of your body, and a shield armor, then I'm SURE of you can carv something onto your helmet without being visually impaired.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RVD1337 I'd be pissed off if that was my vision when I buy the EVA [C][/quote]lmao
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Wait a minute...... I DIDN'T SAY THAT!!!!!!!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mojonation1487 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sims3k [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] destro235 This is old i mean pre-beta old.[/quote] and yet people still dont belive what physically makes sense.[/quote] Its a game. Nothing in it makes sense in our world. Do the covenant exist? NO[/quote] Nothing in this video game world makes sense in our world?? lol WHAT?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sims3k [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] destro235 This is old i mean pre-beta old.[/quote] and yet people still dont belive what physically makes sense.[/quote] Its a game. Nothing in it makes sense in our world. Do the covenant exist? NO
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZonixZZ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VanAlioSaldo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xFRESH [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grayfur Who really cares? Honestly.[/quote] Really, someone created a thread that has people responding to it... so APPARENTLY people care. It's a -blam!- forum, used to debate/talk about things. GTFO if you are going to have no worthwhile contribution to the thread. [/quote] ^^I like you. I see what you are saying, but then why'd he carve it on his helmet?[/quote] Maybe just like Captain Keyes opinion in the books, he admired his war painting on his ship, even if it was against the law. Maybe Emile had his reasons, maybe he admired it, maybe it's a sign of something, maybe a memory. Idk. Whatever made him do it, I guess.[/quote] Let me reword that >.< Why'd he do it if it'd mess up his vision? He knows just as well as any other Spartan how powerful the Covenant is. Why would he impair himself like that? It makes more sense if the image was projected on the inside of the visor in this case, but who am I to know, in Halo 3 you could literally see the edged of MC's visor just barely as transparent lines (Mark VI has that kind of design that has lines outlining the hud areas, I'm referring to these) So why would Emile do that unless it didn't actually impair his vision?
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But wait OP, I have a question, WHY did Emile carve ( I think I spelled that wrong >_>) a skull onto his helmet? I'd like the story behind Emile's actions, was it like I said, a memory of something, like war or a loss, or a sign for something or his own custom painting? I know its really bad to talk about CoD but im gonna use this as an example xD Ghost, in MW2 had a skull on his face armor/helmet probably as a custom painting, and I guess thats kind of against the law aswell, same concept there?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] destro235 This is old i mean pre-beta old.[/quote] and yet people still dont belive what physically makes sense.
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To instill fear in his enemy. To be unique. Who knows until there is a book about Noble Team... which I would definitely read in a heartbeat. The Fall of Reach talks about his warpaint on Keye's ship. And maybe in The Flood a little too...
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This is old i mean pre-beta old.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colninja23 Anyways, back on topic. I agree with OP, he has provided an educated opinion on the disadvantages of emiles skull carving on his visor. but i still think its pretty badass[/quote] finally your not trolling, good boy
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VanAlioSaldo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xFRESH [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grayfur Who really cares? Honestly.[/quote] Really, someone created a thread that has people responding to it... so APPARENTLY people care. It's a -blam!- forum, used to debate/talk about things. GTFO if you are going to have no worthwhile contribution to the thread. [/quote] ^^I like you. I see what you are saying, but then why'd he carve it on his helmet?[/quote] Maybe just like Captain Keyes opinion in the books, he admired his war painting on his ship, even if it was against the law. Maybe Emile had his reasons, maybe he admired it, maybe it's a sign of something, maybe a memory. Idk. Whatever made him do it, I guess.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colninja23 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colninja23 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sims3k [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colninja23 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sims3k do explain...[/quote] When you look at the helmets in the armory, none of them say that they were made at a special place, only what there used for. Emile's seems to be to be the only one in a special place. Leading me to believe that they used special equitment(spelling?) and did not just grab a knife and cut lines in it all day. Maybe they used some mineral that can only be seen by one side. Towards the enemy....[/quote] those carvings arent by design, emile carved them himself. the unsc wont produce a helmet with that design because it wont be formal/ professional. remember in one of the books, keyes said he admired the war ppaint on his ship even though its was against the rules and had to be repainted.[/quote] I dont read.....[/quote] How did you read this then? And I love cows with BIG utters! ;p[/quote] I felt it in my mind... And what does that have to do with what were talking about? [/quote] I love buttered toast....[/quote] Anyways, back on topic. I still think Emile can see out of his helmet easily
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xFRESH [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grayfur Who really cares? Honestly.[/quote] Really, someone created a thread that has people responding to it... so APPARENTLY people care. It's a -blam!- forum, used to debate/talk about things. GTFO if you are going to have no worthwhile contribution to the thread. [/quote] ^^I like you. I see what you are saying, but then why'd he carve it on his helmet?
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Well obviously we got a rapist in Linkin Park. Sooo hide your kids, hide you wives, and hide your husbands because they're rapin' errrbody out hurr.
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Its 2552 or whatever. I'm SURE they made something work out by then. /thread
