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2/6/2020 1:56:43 PM
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If you’re nerfing Fusion Rifles, you better damn well do the same to shotguns too.
They are just as bad. If they leave either one untouched, Trials is gonna be horrible.
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So Nerf Perfect Paradox :(
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Edited by an Ape with a d2 addiction: 2/10/2020 11:58:36 AMFusion rifles are fine. High impact fusion with their current damage dropoff pattern where it has a relatively high damage floor where it won't drop beyond certain amount is the problem. This enables the mapping. Shotguns are also fine. OHK range's hard-capped at 9 meters. Special ammo economy is a problem with how it's too abundant. Thinking in blanket terms and ignoring actual specific issues under those blankets ends up as bad balancing.
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1 ReplyAlso pulse rifles. Auto rifles and scouts.....o and snipers, rockets and hand cannons. And obviously side arms. Launchers and swords... And the next weapon i get killed by.... Other than that i think we're good
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Shotguns were already nerfed, full choke is half of what it was so is shotgun range. Quit being a baby.
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1 ReplyOnce again, why do low glory/awful stat players think they are entitled to an opinion concerning pvp balance?
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1 ReplyShotguns are fine. They are just overused due to special ammo availability
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7 RepliesThe difference is that you can strategically play to counter shotguns (ie don't stay too close to blind corners). The counter for fusion rifles is... wait...
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Right?
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fusions were in great condition because the casual audience could just pick up the game and play it easily. Now the casual audience already abondoned the game they are just trying to satisfy the people who plays this game for a living aka the low skill streamers like gigz or the the paid carry no lifers.
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5 RepliesReduce shotgun range slightly and increase consistency for 1HKO at point blank range. Leave slugs as they are. Fusions, Remove back up plan and reduce the range considerably on high impact frames, also use ammo on a charge so you can’t keep pre charging
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PvP nerfs only, please the rest of us PvE players like fusions the way they are
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Shotguns are close range and they do damage like a shotgun should. Fusions have wayyy too much range.
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8 RepliesEdited by Soupreem: 2/7/2020 1:16:44 AMShotguns aren't viable without sliding, change my mind. [spoiler]Lord of Wolves and slugs aren't included[/spoiler] You have summoned me.
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1 ReplyAnd snipers
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3 RepliesThe only shotguns that need a nerf are aggressive frame shotguns like Mindbender’s Ambition. They’re just too consistent at ranges they shouldn’t be. And of course Lord of Wolves. It might sound confusing for console players but it’s seriously busted on PC. It’s the most popular energy weapon in competitive。
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23 RepliesB A C K U P P L A N I S T H E O N L Y I S S U E W I T H H I G H I M P A C T F U S I O N R I F L E S
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9 RepliesEdited by TeslaDoc: 2/8/2020 12:09:28 AMBungie, please bring back Pocket Infinity. Such a good fusion rifle. It could lay any guardian out in mid super, behind a wall on a different map. *screeeeeeee BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM!* All that was left was smoke and toenails. But holy Hannah, did that thing recoil.
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8 RepliesI’ve never been killed by a shotgun from pulse rifle range. And fusions can cross map from further.
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If this nerf to fusion rifles is not just to High impacts but a blanket nerf to all fusions, I see them being pretty much dead in PvP. Hardly anyone uses the faster fusions (except for meme builds in YT videos) over the high impacts as is.
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As someone who has been on the "Nerf Erentil" ship since Opulence, I agree. Shotguns just need steeper damage falloff outside of their OHK range to punish people for not getting a OHK. Reward smart and deliberate pushes, not aping.
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I don't actually have an issue with fusions and I don't fully understand the hate with the exception of backup plan. If I got to make all the decisions I'd either have it consume two rounds when used or reduce increase the charge speed a little bit. Besides that, they're in a decent spot. Shotguns (minus LoW) I don't actually think are that broken when compared to the history of Destiny. Does no one remember Party Crasher? OG Fel Winter's Lie? OG Thorn? Or even worse... Viking Funeral with Fire Bolt grenades. Let's crank it up even further, one hit sticky grenades. Good times! The point is, Destiny has always had wild things like that and its what also makes the game appealing. Trials was a blast back then even with all those ridiculous weapons. Where Trials became not fun was when they updated it so you went against people with the same amount of wins as you because all you got was DDOS or God's gift to Destiny when you were at that last win needed. Now typically even that would be fine but they made it so you got the same rewards from going flawless (minus adept and the ornaments) from bounties so people grinded those and bailed off leaving only the previously mentioned groups. It should always be 100% connection based in my opinion with no bounties for gear. Its Flawless or nothin
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1 ReplyYes please. They both need to be reigned in.
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3 RepliesDouble checked, shotguns and fusions are working as intended. Sniper flinch is a little bit punishing but snipers still performing as intended too. Problem: special ammo needs to be addressed. Trials will be fine if it’s not, but primaries are 90% pointless in crucible right now. Be aware and plan on using a solid special weapon going in 👍
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22 RepliesPeople talking about this 80-100 meter potential kill range for fusions. A) You need a very specific roll for that which doesn't come up often B) Most maps don't have 80-100 meter engagements in regular encounters C) Fusions don't even make up 10% of special usage in PvP If they nerf fusions before or during trials, pvp is going to be more of a shotgun ape, sniper camping, spare rations spam shitshow than it already is.
