Erentil and Shotgun Apes. This is exactly why Bungie put both in the Heavy slot in year 1. Here we are, a community complaining about the same issues D1 had because the same community wanted Shotguns and Fusions back as special weapons and you know, I’m usually against Bungie most of the time but if they ever wonder “What the hell do they want”, I completely understand now. You can argue “Well why don’t you just use Shotguns or Fusions” all you want, it’s not fun to me. Playing Space Call of Duty is not fun to me. It’s exactly what it is.

The maps. Most were designed for 4v4. Also the rewards, once you’ve played awhile you will never get anything new. Crucible loot pool is beyond stagnant. IMO the real reason is free to play. All crucible modes come with new light. Bungie doesn’t want to work on something that’s free, no money to be made from it.

I still play crucible regardless, but if I have to give a reason....Citadel and Gambler's Ruin are my reason to stop playing crucible. Those maps are the bane of my existence.

None no pinnacle gear no playey

All of the above

flinch and the lack of primary gunplay

Gay fish

I love crucible

It's a mixture of things... The main reason is people are under the illusion that their good at the game and think this is a skill based game not a gear based one... I know someone is better then me if they outplayed me and didn't T bag me... Like if a titan in D1 has universal remote and a pistol with twilight garrison spam and over sheild while camping then he T bags me I get angry but then I realised he has so many advantages that at some point the game is giving him free kills and then I realise being good at this game is worthless.

[quote]Personally, I think all of these options are important to the health of pvp, but the most important to me is simply a lackluster selection of game modes. I’ve been playing fps shooters for nearly 20 years now, and I’m bored with the same “team deathmatch” style game mode. I need some sort of objective or I get incredibly bored. I can’t even focus on connection or gun balancing if I can’t even be entertained by the gameplay. But I realize I’m probably the minority, so I would like to see where the community stands on this issue. What is the breaking point or the most important flaw in pvp for YOU? Edit: Thank you all for your feedback (sorry I forgot to put “loot incentive” as an option. I’m sure it would’ve been a top choice). It is as I predicted, the community is very split, and I am the minority on this issue. It sounds like bungie has spread themselves too thin, and they can’t please all the different types of players. So here is my suggestion: have a season dedicated to working completely on crucible every year. Work solely on weapon and class balancing, add new maps, new weapons and armor to achieve, release a triumph book exclusively for crucible, designate a portion of the team to focus on health of the crucible, dedicate a larger portion of the bungie team to deploying updates and fixes for crucible during the season, and separate a god forsaken objective playlist for the weirdos like me who are bored of clash, control, and elim (and populate it with ACTUAL fun objective modes like capture the flag, infected, rift with points ONLY for scoring goals, etc.). Edit edit: Looks like I am the serious minority. I guess everyone on the planet is content with playing a variation of clash in every single game mode. I’m sorry, but after playing the same game mode for 22 1/2 years, I just can’t enjoy “team deathmatch”. Which is why I switch to rocket league or apex when I need to enjoy some pvp action.[/quote] This meta makes me not want to play. But I have games where I see a lot of weapons and I get to pull out my Monte Carlo or something new. Was actually able to take out tlw and side arm on shores of time because no revokers for once

For me, I just find PvP in most games to be boring at best or annoying at worst. While I am not really bad at it, I just never feel like it engages me that much. When I was younger I did more PvP in games but these days I prefer PvE, mainly solo but I do enjoy cooperative PvE at times. Really, for me there is not likely anything Bungie could do to engage me in PvP content outside of completing steps for other stuff like a quest or story mission. If the next season really is about Trials I will likely be taking another break from D2 or just float about casually in the PvE content.

been saying this for years, pvp needs bigger maps

1. Abundance of special ammo 2. Stacked teams 3. Joining games that have already started (granted the team I join are getting stomped and the other team has supers) I still play that dumpster fire of a PvP anyway. It can be fun a good amount of the time.