If you aren’t willing to play people who can give you a game every time you step into the arena then you aren’t “competitive at heart.” Former athlete here. If you argues for your “right” to suit up against people of significantly less ability than yourself, because you don’t feel like making your best effort? At best you’d lose the respect of your team mates. At worst they’d tell you to clean out your locker and go home. You kids don’t understand the difference between PRACTICE, and PLAY. If you want to practice with a different loadout NOTHING is stopping you.

[quote]I am a competitive player at heart, I love the thrill of a close game where it's a coin toss as to who will win the match. That being said, that doesn't mean I want to try my absolute hardest every match I get in. The mere existence of SBMM in the casual game modes is terrible for above average players. Oh, you want to queue up with a skyburners or a random blue weapon to have fun? [i]That's tough buddy, you are a good player, so here's a six stack of dust rock NF wardcliff users. Have fun :)[/i] That is literally my crucible experience, I either have to nut up and slap on my dust rock and NF or I get [b]literally[/b] bullied. What is fun about that? I have to actually try my ass off to even be able to compete, there is nothing remotely enjoyable about that. Crucible is a shitshow right now, and this is the first time [i]ever[/i] that I dont want to play this game. I honestly dont know what they can do to fix it. The old matchmaking was leagues better than this mess. The least they can do is move where classic mix is in the directory so it can possibly get a little bit of traction. If you have any suggestions drop the down below, or call me bad or whatever you people do. Edit: People seem to think that I queue up in a stack? I'm a solo player. 90% of the time I play this game I do it alone. The only time I have a fireteam is for scrims, raids, and comp.[/quote] So here's the deal you gonna find us everywhere I play with a halfdan,D and a misfit but that's cause I can but if I really want to troll I'll use a kwostov or 3 Titan with shoulder charge that's just the game. if you want COD go play COD or fortnight

If SBMM matches you against folks of "Your" skill......are you saying that lower skilled players aren't playing against skilled players of their level ? Are they sweating or just playing to have fun ? This arguement is that....you want to go in and sweat against lower skilled players. Lots of folks like to throw around the "git gud" when lower skilled players whine about being matched against better players. Going by this moniker...you should be really improving your game by playing with these sweats all the time. The" Irony " when the wind changes its direction.

I think all the sweat should just go into survival and -blam!- block all the people trying to get the legend, then when all the whiny casuals start complaining then maybe bungie will fix quick play.

You guys in the replies talking about “oh you don’t want to play people your skill and be competitive” all rude like, as said by Failsafe, “kindly delete yourself”. One could also say that you want to stay in the lower tiers of crucible, since you don’t want to be competitive. Regardless, there are TWO main PvP playlists. QUICKplay, and COMPETITIVE aka Survival now. Comp/Survival should have tight sbmm, and in my personal experience this season (freelance), it very much does for the most part. QUICKplay on the other hand, is very far from quickplay. If you want to chill, QUICKplay should be the way to go. You shouldn’t be getting the COMP experience in QUICKplay. It’s that simple. No one should come out of Comp, go into QP, and get the same experience, even for those that are below average. They might not be able to pass fabled or legend, but they should be able to have a decent time in QP. Bottom line is, a lot of you below average (nothing wrong with it btw) people complaining about average+ people complaining, just can’t. Simply because you have not the slightest idea of what they’re speaking of. You don’t play at high levels, and you more than likely have no interest in getting there. Meanwhile, those higher tier players know what the lower tier are complaining about because they’ve leaped over that hurdle already and remember the experience. We currently have 4 general brackets Below Average Average Above Average Top tier If you’ve played any game with ranking you should know how the graph goes, regardless of skill level. Below average and top tier contain the smallest amount of players, while average and above average contain the most amount of players. It’s a very different experience in each rank. Think of it like traveling. Below average is the first destination while top tier is the last. If you’ve only been to Below Average, you have 0 idea about the other places. While if you’ve made it to above average, you know about the previous places since you’ve been there. TLDR While players should try and of course not be braindead, they shouldn’t have to try like their life depends on it; Every. Single. Game. QUICKplay needs a fix. Players that are not too skillful and do not understand what exactly that feels like, have invalid opinions. p.s: If you’re calling yourself sweaty and meaning good/top tier, you’re most likely not even close. There’s being confident, then there’s being “hey guys I’m better than all of you but I’m actually a potato

The problem is that "good" players DON'T run Skyburner's (or similar off-meta stuff) in QP pretty much EVER. They run TLW/Spare Rations/Austringer/Ace & Beloved Or Crutchrock/Not Forgotten So for the 1% of the time that a high skill player is actually just "goofing around" the low skill players get shit on the other 99% of the time. Sorry, NOPE. Life's a -blam!- fella.

People know classic is there they chose not to go into it. The average and below average players were farmed for a year when there was no SBMM. Bungie did the right thing and gave the players a choice. What did you think was going to happen the lower players would go to classic and continue to be farmed? Remember this my friend you and the other tryhards did this to yourself, so suck it up Nancy and take your sweating to the classic playlist list and have fun.

you can have relaxed games with non meta loadouts on classic mix... the problem is that you want relax stomping bad players... long lives SBMM...

Gonna use your own words against you. " I have to actually try my ass off to even be able to compete, there is nothing remotely enjoyable about that. " Do you not understand that without SBMM this is what happens to MOST of the community? Why should the top 2% not have to sweat, while the rest have to as you say, actually try my ass off to even be able to compete, there is nothing remotely enjoyable about that.

How can you call yourself ‘competitive at heart’ if you don’t want to fight someone of your skill.

Arc web is effing bs