That is all. Just remove artifact effects from pvp. That will never be a good way to change things up in pvp. The pvp community generally asks to remove ability affects in pvp, not strengthen them. The artifact is a cool idea for PVE, but it’s horrible for pvp. Supers are finally in a slightly better place, but have been replaced by things like hunters with arc battery. and weird one-shot abilities. Bungie, your gunplay has always felt great. I just want to use those guns and enjoy the experience. A basic, nuts and bolts experience of using those weapons. So does much of the PVP community. No space magic. Not in PvP. Can we please just have a sandbox where abilities are a HUGE after thought and gunplay (which is much better than almost all other games out there) is the focal point? (And Momentum Control ain’t it Chief... that’s another term for “practice with scout rifles and play like an ass-hat never leaving spawn.”) That would make for a great pvp experience. (Side note): I don’t play on pc, but please hire a white-hat group to track down the cheaters / hackers on pc (or any platform) and give them only one directive in regard to handling those cheaters: “Have fun.” Then just leave them to it and go focus on other things. Summary: for pvp, NO ARTIFACT usage. Just guns. No laning Meta game modes. Capitalize on your amazing gunplay, please. That is all. Thanks for your time.