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10/16/2019 2:13:16 AM
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People say "don't do the quest" because you shouldn't, if you don't want to. What point is there to handing in Tokens if you don't want the items they provide? If you do want the items, all armour comes from the quest as well as 4 weapons. If you want better rolls on the armour or one of the other weapons, then do the quest that requires you to use different guns for 1-2 matches each. Not hard.
OP is saying that he doesn't like how he can't get IB packages without using Fusion Rifles and SMGs for a bit, which is obviously a massive inconvenience for the dad-loadout gamer. What he seems to be missing is that the armour comes directly from the quest, packages have nothing to do with it. Seeing as he is using Y1 armour, then stat rolls clearly have no bearing on his opinion of the armour, so he'd only need one of each piece to be satisfied. By some bizarre coincidence, the quest gives you exactly one of each piece.
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I care about the enchanced mods, nobody cared about armor in the first place. They aren’t dropping with high stats as much, so why even force a grind for them? They should’ve kept it how it was, a passive unlock for completing the iron banner bounties, instead they had to -blam!- shit up. I don’t want to use a fusion, or a pulse rifle. I have a playstyle and I tried other weapons. It’s iron banner, people are going to sweat right? So why are you forcing players to use something they aren’t comfortable with.
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Enhanced Mods aren't exclusively tied to Iron Banner, they also drop from higher difficulty Nightfalls and Nightmare Hunts, which are available every week. If you want to farm for mods, IB is sub-optimal. To re-iterate, you're not forced to play Iron Banner to get those mods, so you are not forced to use those weapons. Even if you do use those weapons and don't like them, the total number of kills you need is 70 across 15 games, in order to finish in the quickest possible time. If you're telling me that, when using a weapon type you don't like, you can't average 4-5 kills per game with that weapon, then maybe PvP isn't for you at all, regardless of what the other team is using. Besides, if [i]you're[/i] being forced to use stuff, then so is [i]everyone else.[/i] If the other team is sweating, then they're either not doing the quest or sweating within the same parameters as you.
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Also you’re argument about not getting kills enough equals bad is dumb. You don’t know how I play, I could do fine with other guns, it does not mean I want to use them. I didn’t struggle with fusion, I was doing great with grenade launcher until I realized it wasn’t counting, sub machine gun is a brainless weapon. I don’t like using these guns though, I have a playstyle for pvp that I enjoy more, it puts me in situations that increases the pressure so I love it. I want my playstyle, not bungies, I hate bounties that tell me how to play.
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So in other words, you got the kills done in far less than 15 games, save for the bugged GL step perhaps. If so, what's the big problem here? You yourself a proof that it doesn't take the full number of matches, so why is such a fuss being made over using specific weapon types for 5-10 matches? You aren't required to use those same weapons for the whole duration of this Iron Banner and when you're done, you can go back to using whatever you like. This is being completely blown out of proportion. Seriously. An entire 2.0 set of armour and 4 IB weapons as a reward for getting 70 kills with the corresponding weapon types, alongside standard IB objectives of zones captured and matches complete. To call that a grind is ridiculous. Getting Randy's Throwing Knife is a grind, the IB quest is paltry.
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Edited by Mr. Morale: 10/16/2019 7:49:55 AMIt isn’t even iron banner only, it’s every other damn bounty asking you to use something you aren’t feeling. I have recluse, does it mean I want to use it in strikes, or crucible? No, could I use other subs? Yes, but what will help me complete the bounty faster? Recluse. I hate these bounties, I get it for the new players. Yes, encourage them to try weapons out, but at this point Bungie is taking the piss. Edit Yesterday I was playing my warlock void bottom tree, with huckleberry in gambit. I was having fun, knocking bounties, until one, one that asked me to switch to solar. So I did, and this forced me to change my entire playstyle, because I couldn’t shoot in mobs with reckless abandon, I played the support invader role, I don’t mind it when I’m in the mood for it. When I want to, not when Bungie tells me to. I am not saying I struggle with these bounties, I beat them easily, that isn’t my complaint. My complaint is please -blam!- off, don’t tell me how to play, give me passive objectives, and I’ll complete them in whatever playstyle I feel like doing today.
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It doesn’t mean I want to man, you aren’t getting it. It took me three to four hours of game time, does that mean in that time span I enjoyed iron banner? Nah, I was annoyed the entire time.
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No one said they are, it’s an easier grind
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A lot of words for a useless and poorly thoughtout comment.
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It would help a lot if you actually backed up that statement by saying where I'm wrong. OP's problem with the IB quest boils down to the fact he has to get 45 kills using weapons that aren't in the loadout he refuses to change from, despite the reward being what he implies that he wants - 2.0 IB armour. 15 SMG, 20 Fusion Rifle and 10 Grenade Launcher (which is actually 10 SMG right now because of a bug). I hate Pulse Rifles, but I didn't make a long, whingy post about how Bungie forced me to get 25 kills with them; I got out my highest power Pulse and got 25 kills with it.
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Edited by KatManDew (TIMELOST): 10/16/2019 4:34:19 AMHow about the fact that the Grenade launcher part of the quest isnt even registering your kills? Played a match and had 6 final blows with GL and quest still at 0%. I dont know why I expected anything different. They never test anything before pushing it out there...and all this grindy crap for the same stupid weapons they they put out what a year? 2 years ago? Seems like it. Nothing new in IB arsenal. Pure Laziness...SMDH
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Edited by GalaxySpider: 10/16/2019 6:40:30 AMYou have to use an SMG. For some reason it says GL, but you actually meed 10 smg kills...
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The part where you say if you don't want to do the quest then don't. It's not constructive and not the point. Honestly I don't care about the OP not being able to play with weapons that aren't his favorite 3. In fact, I could bash him on that point relentlessly and tell him that he is only hurting himself by not playing with other weapons. But again, I'd be way off-topic and not addressing the point he is making. Which is, he shouldn't be pigeonholed by a quest to use weapons and playstyles he doesn't want to use and then lock all the rewards behind that quest being completed. And on that point, I agree with him. The token rewards SHOULD NOT be locked behind the quest. It is complete and total bullshit. Now that was a lot of words and I hate myself for not being able to convey my opinion in a much more clear, concise, and short manner. I apologize.
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[quote] And on that point, I agree with him. The token rewards SHOULD NOT be locked behind the quest. It is complete and total bullshit.[/quote] This is the part that needs to be focussed on, and it's the crucial misunderstanding that I think OP has. Completing each step of the quest grants a piece of 2.0 armour, eventually resulting in the full set. If the armour is the only thing that OP cares about, which is heavily implied, then whether or not Tokens can be used before or after the quest is mostly a non-factor. The quest can be fully completed in 15 matches minimum. Even if you won every single match, you'd only get 75 tokens, or enough for 4 rewards at best if you already had progress on Saladin's level bar. Even if Tokens were usable without doing the quest, it's impossible to get the whole armour set in less than 16 matches without the aid of the Bounties, which themselves I take a similar amount of time to complete. Even at that, you're still at the mercy of the RNG gods as to whether or not you'll get the items you want. If you offered people the a guarantee of every item you wanted, no duplicates, in exchange for using a different loadout for the duration, the vast majority of the playerbase would snap your hand off. What OP wants is to be able to use Tokens without completing the quest but fails to realise that there is no conceivable way that, exclusively within this season, he could guarantee the items he wants AND do it faster than the quest.
