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originally posted in: Supers are weak in pve
10/16/2019 2:11:26 AM
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Uh...they didn't nerf super damage at all. Maybe they tweaked how nightstalker worked, but nothing else has been touched. Remember, they made enemies harder to kill, which would make the supers seem weaker.
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  • They lowered well damage buff from 35 to 25 as said it was too strong.. Then gave ward of dawn wol a 35% damage buff

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  • Right, I forgot about well.

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  • Well doesn't require you to move though. You have to constantly step in and out of Ward to make use of it, and it doesn't do anything without the Saint 14 helm. The healing on Well is a damage buff in itself, because you can just tank damage, which means you can do more damage and not hide and recover.

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  • I know all this i could have worded it better. Was just pointing out examples as op said nothing else had been changed besides a tweak to nightstalker. They also increased damage on nova bomb bottom tree. Changed roaming supers amd a few others

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  • It just seemed like you were complaining about Well being nerfed, despite it being a totally justified nerf, that's all. Personally I think Supers are in their best spot right now. Thundercrash is in a bit of a weird spot, but that entire tree is in a weird spot. It's honestly more of a PvP tree than a PvE one since Inertia Overdrive, but then the melee ability is better in PvE, then the actual Super can be okay in PvE but you can do a ton of stuff with it in PvP as well. It's a weird tree.

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  • Insurmountable skullfort + middle tree striker + hands on mod = pve fun Super gets your melee charge back if you miss and melee gets your super back... it’s also great for gambit up until boss dps then it’s time to use that ammo you’ve been stockpiling

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  • Oh I know, it's a really good tree, but people just complain about the Super, which...Oh well. It's just entitlement, and people thinking it should do Nighthawk levels of damage, for no deserving reason, just because "It's a one hit use"

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  • I mean I won’t cry nerf if it’s damage is buffed because it’s always hilarious to see a titan blast off into a giant enemy and kill it but it’s solid as it is. Supers just have a role but people want it to do everything all the time.

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  • Like i said could have worded it different. I personally dont use well. And barely touch titan Was just poi ting out they did alot more changes than "nothing" Bottom tree nova actually seems to get used now. And see alot more of boottom tree quiver aswell now

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  • Yeah i use Devour tree a lot more on Warlock, bottom tree Nightstalker is really good in PvP and PvE as well. Only trees that could use some love I guess are maybe stuff like top or bottom tree Dawnblade, I forget which one, which ever one is basically nothing besides homing projectile Super. The air dodge one is actually really good in PvP. Then I guess Thundercrash is a bit awkward.

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  • Of course it's to strong on well you're pretty much invincible while in the well with the bubble however you have to come out to make use of the damage buff

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  • both are invisible. in PvE it’s pretty easy not to die if you are near the bubble and in well it’s also possible to die if the enemies do more damage. a champion (with blackout) can easily one hit kill someone in the well and without blackout it takes most of your health away by the time you regenerate the adds surround you will lower your health even further. Good example: Reckoning.

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  • Not really unless you're just sitting in the bubble the whole time, also unless the titan is wearing Helm you don't get an over shield or anything meanwhile with Well you never have to leave the safety of the well hence why bubble gets a bigger damage buff. Well just did to much Reckoning is a prefect example of how Well did way to much, it took a blackout champion to make that thing unsafe.

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